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Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« on: July 14, 2017, 07:27:00 PM »
Tim Atwell sent me a mic holding gizmo to try. He's still in the prototype stage but it is an interesting little number. 8) This one holds the FireBall mic just far away from the back on the Chromatic to allow the player to use his/her hands for cupping and stuff. 

It comes in a standard size than can be re-shaped for your hand/finger size. I have to fool with the one I have here to get it sized down to these small Hungarian hands. Bigger mics would not do well with it but I can see where  it could be a effective little item for use with a small mic.

If anyone is interested contact Tim off list. I'm sure he would be happy to fill you in on the details.

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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 09:58:41 PM »
Tim Atwell sent me a mic holding gizmo to try. He's still in the prototype stage but it is an interesting little number. 8) This one holds the FireBall mic just far away from the back on the Chromatic to allow the player to use his/her hands for cupping and stuff. 

It comes in a standard size than can be re-shaped for your hand/finger size. I have to fool with the one I have here to get it sized down to these small Hungarian hands. Bigger mics would not do well with it but I can see where  it could be a effective little item for use with a small mic.

If anyone is interested contact Tim off list. I'm sure he would be happy to fill you in on the details.

looks good for those of you who can support the weight. After my own hand surgery I can't grip the chromatic with thumb on that hand, and I don't have too much
strength --so it wouldn't work, unless it was made of a softer material - something rubberized perhaps (?) and to support a much smaller mic, if I could 'wrap' it
around the hand at the knuckle area. ...then still support the chromatic with the right hand. Still -- for those of you who can do it --this should fit the bill!

Nice to see someone coming up with something inventive and new.

Elizabeth (scotty)
PS: I just might give my old chromatic mic a try again..it slides onto the back of a chromatic (not the Super 64 which is too fat, but it does fit my 16Hering - or a 280). Then
with a brace on the hand it might allow me to actually play mic'ed. Hmm - giving me ideas, here. :)

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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 06:34:02 AM »
Nice one Tim, good idea and execution :-)

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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 02:58:19 PM »
i'll supply other fotos when i can, but i should say a few things about this gizmo.  then i won't write any more about it on this thread.

the idea is to enable the player to amplify his/her acoustic sound by avoiding proximity effects and cupping.  the device holds the mic in free air at a constant working distant from the chrome, or a diatonic played in first position.  it is not for the blues player, unless one is playing modern blues on the chrome in first position, as though the chrome were a trumpet or a sax.  the mic is held 1" from the harmonica, the minimum working distance, according to audix.  they are being conservative; you can get a lot closer with the fireball before you detect any proximity effects, but i'm not going to push it.  a spacer moves the mic to the right, and it is pointing slightly upward and aimed at hole 5.  a shorter spacer would move it to the left.

the device wraps around the middle, ring, and pinky fingers of the left hand.  the index finger is free.  the fingers of the left hand should be extended over the mic (age has them in a fist to better show the gizmo.  playing this way might diminish the sound from the lowest reeds.) and the tip of the middle finger can be put on top of the chrome to help support the weight of the mic.  i work the slide with my thumb, so i can put my left hand on top of my right for even more support.

the fireball is a small light mic and because its barrel is so short its weight is way forward, where it has little leverage against the player.

neither the standard sm57 or sm58 can be used with this device because their barrels extend so far out from their clips, but the ultimate 57 by greg heumann (with the appropriate clip) can be used with it.  in fact because the outside diameters of heumann's barrel and of what is left of the 57 barrel are constant, no taper, the 57 can be slid closer to the harmonica and farther away from it over a distance of more than an inch and a half.  because differences between the 57 and 58 can be dealt with using EQ, and because the 57 is lighter than the 58, and because the position of the 57 can be adjusted, i think, at this point, that the 57 would work better with this device.  but the jury is out.

Brendan - if i sent you one to try out would you have to pay customs duty on it?  you already have my address if you want to email me.

Scotty - the left end of the chrome butts up against the spot where my palm meets my index finger, so i don't need to squeeze the chrome between my index finger and thumb to counter the force of pushing the slide in.  the chrom is supported by my right hand and simply rests on my left thumb.  my left thumb plays no part in supporting the chrom or the mic.
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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2017, 11:26:23 PM »
i'll supply other fotos when i can, but i should say a few things about this gizmo.  then i won't write any more about it on this thread.

the idea is to enable the player to amplify his/her acoustic sound by avoiding proximity effects and cupping.  the device holds the mic in free air at a constant working distant from the chrome, or a diatonic played in first position.  it is not for the blues player, unless one is playing modern blues on the chrome in first position, as though the chrome were a trumpet or a sax.  the mic is held 1" from the harmonica, the minimum working distance, according to audix.  they are being conservative; you can get a lot closer with the fireball before you detect any proximity effects, but i'm not going to push it.  a spacer moves the mic to the right, and it is pointing slightly upward and aimed at hole 5.  a shorter spacer would move it to the left.

the device wraps around the middle, ring, and pinky fingers of the left hand.  the index finger is free.  the fingers of the left hand should be extended over the mic (age has them in a fist to better show the gizmo.  playing this way might diminish the sound from the lowest reeds.) and the tip of the middle finger can be put on top of the chrome to help support the weight of the mic.  i work the slide with my thumb, so i can put my left hand on top of my right for even more support.

the fireball is a small light mic and because its barrel is so short its weight is way forward, where it has little leverage against the player.

neither the standard sm57 or sm58 can be used with this device because their barrels extend so far out from their clips, but the ultimate 57 by greg heumann (with the appropriate clip) can be used with it.  in fact because the outside diameters of heumann's barrel and of what is left of the 57 barrel are constant, no taper, the 57 can be slid closer to the harmonica and farther away from it over a distance of more than an inch and a half.  because differences between the 57 and 58 can be dealt with using EQ, and because the 57 is lighter than the 58, and because the position of the 57 can be adjusted, i think, at this point, that the 57 would work better with this device.  but the jury is out.

Brendan - if i sent you one to try out would you have to pay customs duty on it?  you already have my address if you want to email me.

Scotty - the left end of the chrome butts up against the spot where my palm meets my index finger, so i don't need to squeeze the chrome between my index finger and thumb to counter the force of pushing the slide in.  the chrom is supported by my right hand and simply rests on my left thumb.  my left thumb plays no part in supporting the chrom or the mic.

Cool!~ I was gathering a bit of that from the rest of what you wrote --but it's nice to have you affirm it, Tim. Basically my left hand only functions 'to' support the
chrom right now - and I'm sure I'm not alone with all of the hand arthritis out there, so that's great info. Good job!

Elizabeth (scotty)

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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2017, 11:47:55 PM »

Tim, you can ship things by marking the declarations form.. Used parts, used harmonica parts, used spare parts, etc.

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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2019, 10:42:50 PM »
Just saw this - nice job Tim. Yes, would love to try it, will email you.

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Re: Tim Atwell's FireBall holder
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2019, 02:26:41 PM »
It definitely gives you a "consistent" position to work with, so once you set your volume, you can forget about it and just play.  :)