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cisco

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Locating Notes
« on: November 04, 2019, 07:29:02 PM »
Dumb Question #7

Does the slide gating  effect where the exact blow note is located within
the blow hole ?
Put another way, does the distance between notes vary at all with slide positions?

Or, does distance vary with breath direction ?

I think it does which entitles me to ask where I have strayed ?






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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2019, 07:37:05 PM »
I don’t really understand the question.
Maybe this will answer it anyway.
There are 4 reeds in every chamber (behind each hole) 2blow reeds and 2draw reeds, and the slide controls which pair (blow and draw ) that you can play.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2019, 12:05:46 AM »

Assuming that you have indeed 'strayed', how is this now affecting your playing of the harmonica and the sound production?

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2019, 12:51:55 AM »
I think I understand your question, but I'm a newcomer to this, so my answer might not be fully correct. I'll give it a shot though  ;D

Each hole contains 4 sub-holes, two open, and two blocked, whichever position the slide is in. So long as you have that hole sealed with your face, the air will go where it needs to, without you having to aim for a certain quadrant of that hole. So moving from hole five to hole seven, is the same distance whichever position the slide is in. If you aren't getting lined up properly in moving holes, and not getting sealed on what you're trying to play next, I'd expect to have issues on both slide positions, and both breath directions (though responsiveness of individual reeds might make some notes more forgiving than others).

Hopefully I understood the question correctly, and someone will clarify anything I got wayward.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2019, 04:08:46 AM »
Hello, Cisco.

The easiest way to answer your questions, is to look at a harmonica note chart. Examine the chart for answers.

In the following slide chromatic harmonica note chart, small letters (d,f,a,b) are inhale reeds; and large letters
(C,E,G) are exhale reeds:

KEY OF C SLIDE CHROMATIC HARMONICA; SOLO SYSTEM REED PLACEMENT; 12 MOUTHPIECE HOLES;
HORIZONTAL OPEN HOLES ("KNITTLINGER" REED PLACEMENT):

||C    d   |E   f   |G    a   |b   C    |C   d   |E    f   |G   a   |b    C   |C   d   |E   f   |G    a  |b    C   || slide out
||C# d# |E# f# |G# a# |b# C# |C# d# |E# f# |G# a# |b# C# |C# d#|E# f# |G# a#|b# C# || slide in

The positions of the notes (reeds) are permanent, but the spellings change, from one music scale to another.
For example, a bb note will be spelled a# in a different music scale. a# will have the same ("enharmonic")
tone (pitch) as bb.  An E# note in one music scale will be spelled f in another music scale. A C# note in one
scale will be a db note in another scale.

The direction of air (inhale or exhale) for the same pitch (enharmonic tone), will change on a slide harmonica, from
an E# (blow) reed to an f reed (draw), and from a C reed (blow) to a b# reed (draw), but the tone is the same,
and the hole is the same (C and b# are in the same mouthpiece hole, and E# and f have their same hole).

You will also notice that the "do" reeds of a slide chromatic harp are duplicated in holes 4-5 and 8-9. The holes change,
but the notes and breath patterns are identical (C-C; C#-C# blow).

The scale formula (breath and hole location) within one octave scale to the next (same spelling) octave scale remain the
same, in distance ("interval") between the notes in a scale.

To find the flat (b) notes on a slide chromatic harp, start at the right side  (highest-pitched reeds) and go down the scale.
To find the sharp (#) reeds, start at the left side of the mouthpiece (lowest pitched reeds), and go up the scale.

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John Broecker
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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2019, 12:43:04 PM »
Pushing in the slide just raises everything you play with half a step, leaving the intervals otherwise intact.

Changing breath direction can do all sorts of things depending on the hole you are playing (up/down half/whole step). Luckily the pattern repeats every 4 holes.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2019, 12:46:15 PM »
Does the position of the reed (top, bottom, left, right) affect the way you blow or draw? No. Just play.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2019, 12:01:18 AM »
I like Grizzly's and Kvanbael's short and concise answers.

Thanks, sliders.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2019, 06:23:36 PM »
“no” from a seasoned player is as valuable as “yes” and
well within the “25 words or less” format.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2019, 08:27:23 PM »
If nothing worse ever happened to Mark Twain...he never DID anything.
s.j.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2019, 08:42:53 PM »
Twain was a literary genius offering such memorable quotes as:

“ His music isn’t as bad as it sounds “

While I’m getting beat up on this thread, I might as well take advantage and trespass
off topic........

Here’s a simple question.....will the tone of my new SCX 56 improve with age ?
( harp age, not mine )



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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2019, 09:49:17 PM »

Only you will be able say whether or not there is an improvement.

How are you getting on with learning the note placement and working on the foundational skills discussed in your other threads?

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2019, 10:21:14 PM »
"Here’s a simple question.....will the tone of my new SCX 56 improve with age ?"

Send it to me and I'll give it a shot, but ~I~ couldn't get mine sound any better.  ;)
(I'll bet it would improve with Spranklin  ;D)

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2019, 11:34:02 PM »
@IAN

Funny you would inquire about my progress because you have become part of my mind set.   Remember your advice about good note execution versus fumbling for speed ?

I play about 1 to 2 hours each day and I’m taking my lessons from a really advanced book with “progressive “ in the title  and it is that.  Everything is coming together even though I’m only scratching the surface at this time.

I’m doing much better than I expected but I’m not playing from tabs very much.  The author of my method book prefers G clef 5 line.

I have learned a lot from this forum.
Have new SCX 56.





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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2019, 02:19:24 AM »
Here’s a simple question.....will the tone of my new SCX 56 improve with age ?
( harp age, not mine )
Try recording yourself at intervals - weekly, monthly whatever you prefer, listen and compare. I've found it's quite a revelation and I'm only 2 years into playing.

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Re: Locating Notes
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2019, 12:52:27 PM »
How true !

Added revelation can be had by playing with a metronome.