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Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« on: February 18, 2020, 07:04:33 PM »
I think I saw mention of no adjacent tonic layouts but where?

I thought maybe Sydel Orchestra or Solo but not so.
And, of course, I want chromatic.

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2020, 08:14:43 PM »
I use Bebop, the 4th hole blow is retuned from C to Bb.
There is also Paddy Solo, that note is retuned to A.
Power Chromatic has the A note on blow 4, but also retunes draw 5 to F#.
None of these have adjacent notes (the way Solo does on holes 4 and 5).
And of course, diminished and augmented have no duplicate adjacent notes.

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2020, 04:56:02 AM »
There was also talk about Circular Tuning, on here a month or two back.....could be what you are thinking of.

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2020, 10:11:48 AM »
I used to think that was a good idea (still do actually) but at seventy-five, it's a bit too late in life for me. If I were thirty years younger, I'd probably be considering making the switch to a dimi or auggie tuned 12 holer, witch would give plenty of range in a small package, Since I'm finally learning to play this silly thing, I don't wanna mess with anything that would set me back (unless I knew for sure I was gunna live another forty years. ;D ;D)

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2020, 11:11:37 AM »
Age, I am in the same boat.

The potential advantages of diminished or augmented tuning for single note melodic playing are appealing.

Having begun my conventional solo tuned chromatic journey 59 years or so ago I have settled for sticking with solo tuned instruments and using keyed chromatics to facilitate my improvisational music making with chromatic harmonicas. I don't plan to start over this late in the game...

I could probable adjust fairly easily to bebop tuned chromatics, since the reeds that I over use to the point of needing occasional retuning are the 5 and 9 blow notes on whatever key. The 4 and 8 blow notes are very seldom used in my playing. It would be a real hassle to change all my keyed chromatics to bebop tuning.

I enjoy playing and only work on the instruments when a problem arises. So they will remain solo tuned and I will just keep on making music as best I can so long as I have air to breathe through harmonicas.


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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2020, 11:28:32 AM »
As always, I'll put a word in for my Major 7 layout.

The pattern is -
Blow  CEGBC
Draw DFABC

This layout is, I think, (somebody may correct me on this) the closest you can get to standard issue chromatic and still qualify as an alternate tuning. I play it flatslide, but it would work just as well in sharpslide.

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2020, 03:29:59 PM »
I think I saw mention of no adjacent tonic layouts but where?


What kind of tuning is that? The name makes zero sense to me.

cisco

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2020, 06:42:55 PM »
I see on the Seydel site that dimi and auggie are both special tuning
and no chromatic slide.
So what is the lesser of evils ?
I already have a sweet go-to harp and maybe that’s just as well.




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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2020, 07:30:03 PM »
Diminished and Augmented chromatics have slides. We had a big contentious discussion here:

https://forums.SlideMeister.com/index.php?topic=18133.0

Lots of info in the discussion and lots of info in the Pat Missin links about other tunings for chromatics.



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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2020, 07:02:44 AM »
I think I saw mention of no adjacent tonic layouts but where?


What kind of tuning is that? The name makes zero sense to me.

I took it to mean tunings with no side by side Cs (C being the tonic of the 'home' key scale) - like blow 4 and blow 5 on a standard chromatic.

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 11:47:49 AM »
I think I saw mention of no adjacent tonic layouts but where?


What kind of tuning is that? The name makes zero sense to me.

I took it to mean tunings with no side by side Cs (C being the tonic of the 'home' key scale) - like blow 4 and blow 5 on a standard chromatic.


Ah. Got it. I play the augmented layout.

cisco

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2020, 02:19:58 PM »
After much surfing I’ve decided that I don’t understand tuning alternatives because I do not yet understand the problem. 
I expect that tuning choices become important with special kinds of music or degree of difficulty.  I’m not yet at that stage.
But I have to remember that I cannot depend on my musical intuition either which is a nuisance.

SaxonyFan

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 05:32:47 PM »
Cisco

Would you design a piano keyboard to look like that of a solo tuned chrom? Nooooooooooo.

That’s the problem.

Well, it’s one of the problems.

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2020, 05:47:14 PM »
Cisco

Would you design a piano keyboard to look like that of a solo tuned chrom? Nooooooooooo.

That’s the problem.

Well, it’s one of the problems.

I don't follow your reasoning? 

SaxonyFan

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Re: Tuning Layouts. No adjacent tonic notes.
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2020, 12:25:33 AM »
Cisco

Would you design a piano keyboard to look like that of a solo tuned chrom? Nooooooooooo.

That’s the problem.

Well, it’s one of the problems.

I don't follow your reasoning?

The keyboard’s pitch layout is such that as you go from left to right you always go up in pitch and there is only one way to play each pitch. Would you want the same pitch to played in multiple ways scattered about in strange locations? Would you want the pitch to descend as you go from left to right in strange places? Noooooooooo.
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