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OK. Please Explain
« on: November 13, 2010, 04:55:21 PM »
So, thus far since joining SlideMeister,  I believe I now understand the "simpler" concepts of "cross tuned", "straight tuned", and "solo tuned".  I'm still a little to somewhat to completely in the dark WRT to the concepts of "diminished", "augmented" and "legato" tunings ???.  So, could someone PLEASE define each one (all 6, just for the sake of completeness), and more importantly, how each one would affect a standard "C" out of the box non-modified 12 hole harmonica?  Thanking y'all in advance.
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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2010, 05:58:59 PM »

       Hi Mike,

  Me too ??? ???

 Thanks Y'all.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 07:03:30 PM »
Augmented tuning looks like this:

  blow slide in :     E     Ab       C
  blow slide out:    F     A        C#
  draw slide in:      F#   A#      D
  draw slide out:    G    Bb       Eb

Lather, rinse, repeat. It's called an augmented tuning because any three notes played simultaneously will sound an augmented chord.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 07:47:00 PM »
Augmented tuning looks like this:

  blow slide in :     E     Ab       C
  blow slide out:    F     A        C#
  draw slide in:      F#   A#      D
  draw slide out:    G    Bb       Eb

Lather, rinse, repeat. It's called an augmented tuning because any three notes played simultaneously will sound an augmented chord.

Means nothing to me.  How does it change the holes compared to standard, and do you achieve more or less octaves?  Does it eliminate the redundant C's?  What does it do for one's playing compared to a standard insofar as types of music.....  These are the answers that I am looking for WRT to each tuning type.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 07:47:28 PM »
If that's the case, I think I'd like Diminished better; I think I'd like the notes to go "up" when I push the button insteadda down.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2010, 01:32:48 AM »
AJ

Sorry about that. Switch the "out" with the "in" and you have the usual augy tuning which is sometimes referred to as the Sharpie augmented tuning. I play the Sharpie tuning. I believe that the tuning that I mistakenly wrote out in haste is called the Slippy augmented tuning by Michael Timler and others.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2010, 10:47:17 AM »
So, thus far since joining SlideMeister,  I believe I now understand the "simpler" concepts of "cross tuned", "straight tuned", and "solo tuned".  I'm still a little to somewhat to completely in the dark WRT to the concepts of "diminished", "augmented" and "legato" tunings ???.  So, could someone PLEASE define each one (all 6, just for the sake of completeness), and more importantly, how each one would affect a standard "C" out of the box non-modified 12 hole harmonica?  Thanking y'all in advance.
I retune harmonicas--diatonic and chromatic.
A great resource is Tinus Koorn's Overblow.com
And here is a link to his chromatic page
http://www.overblow.com/?menuid=26&type=chrom#
LeGato is called Fourkey Chromatic on this page.
Gary

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2010, 12:07:26 PM »
So, thus far since joining SlideMeister,  I believe I now understand the "simpler" concepts of "cross tuned", "straight tuned", and "solo tuned".  I'm still a little to somewhat to completely in the dark WRT to the concepts of "diminished", "augmented" and "legato" tunings ???.  So, could someone PLEASE define each one (all 6, just for the sake of completeness), and more importantly, how each one would affect a standard "C" out of the box non-modified 12 hole harmonica?  Thanking y'all in advance.
I retune harmonicas--diatonic and chromatic.
A great resource is Tinus Koorn's Overblow.com
And here is a link to his chromatic page
http://www.overblow.com/?menuid=26&type=chrom#
LeGato is called Fourkey Chromatic on this page.
Gary

Thanks Gary.  "Gnarly Diminished"?  VERY nice!  The only thing I need answered now are the specific advantages of each to certain types of music.  From what I'm seeing, with my learning curve, I would have to re-learn everything that I have already learned.  So, if I were to ever re-tune a harp, it would have to do something like increase the octave range, eliminate the redundant C's (those two pretty much go hand in hand) and keep everything else pretty much the same.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2010, 12:34:32 PM »
Chromatic Tunings:  The only thing that seems to be missing is Augmented Tuning.


STANDARD 

C#   F   Ab   C#   C#   F   Ab   C#   C#   F   Ab   C#
C   E   G   C   C   E   G   C   C   E   G   C
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
D   F   A   B   D   F   A   B   D   F   A   B
Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C

SLIPPY

D   F#   Bb   D   F#   Bb   D   F#   Bb   D   F#   Bb
C   E   Ab   C   E   Ab   C   E   Ab   C   E   Ab
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
C#   F   A   C#   F   A   C#   F   A   C#   F   A
Eb   G   B   Eb   G   B   Eb   G   B   Eb   G   B

KOCH HARP

C#   F   Ab   C#   F   Ab   C#   F   Ab   C#
C   E   G   C   E   G   C   E   G   C
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10
D   G   B   D   F   A   B   D   F   A
Eb   Ab   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb

BEBOP

C#   F   Ab   B   C#   F   Ab   B   C#   F   Ab   B
C   E   G   Bb   C   E   G   Bb   C   E   G   Bb
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
D   F   A   B   D   F   A   B   D   F   A   B
Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C

C6 BEBOP

C#   F   Ab   Bb   C#   F   Ab   Bb   C#   F   Ab   Bb
C   E   G   A   C   E   G   A   C   E   G   A
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
D   F   A   B   D   F   A   B   D   F   A   B
Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C   Eb   F#   Bb   C


DIMINISHED

C#   E   G   Bb   C#   E   G   Bb   C#   E   G   Bb
C   Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
D   F   Ab   B   D   F   Ab   B   D   F   Ab   B
Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A   C

GNARLY DIMINISHED  ;D

D   F   Ab   B   D   F   Ab   B   D   F   Ab   B
C#   E   G   Bb   C#   E   G   Bb   C#   E   G   Bb
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
D   F   Ab   B   D   F   Ab   B   D   F   Ab   B
Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A   C

CHORDOMONICA 1

C   F   A   C   C   F   A   C   C   F
C   E   G   C   C   E   G   C   C   E
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10
D   F   G   B   D   F   G   B   D   F
Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#   A   C   Eb   F#

FOURKEY CHROMATIC

C#   Eb   F#   Ab   Bb   C#   Eb   F#   Ab   Bb   C#   Eb
C   D   F   G   A   C   D   F   G   A   C   D
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12
C#   E   F#   Ab   B   C#   E   F#   Ab   B   C#   E
D   F   G   A   C   D   F   G   A   C   D   F

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2010, 01:54:28 PM »
I have tried lots of alternate tunings, and the one I have decided I like is simple to manifest and very similar to standard.
I use a 56 for my purposes--and lower the first of all the redundant C notes to Bb, and the slide note to B. This can be done with solder, and is reversible if you decide you don't like it.
I can do the work for you, as long as your chromatic is screwed together.
There is a slight fee.
It does not increase the range of your instrument--but a 56 has a pretty good range (I like the harp to start on G, same note a violin starts on).
Bb is the first flat, and so F can be played with no button--Bb requires only one button push, and B requires only one release of the button.
Gary

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2010, 01:59:49 PM »
AJ

Sorry about that. Switch the "out" with the "in" and you have the usual augy tuning which is sometimes referred to as the Sharpie augmented tuning. I play the Sharpie tuning. I believe that the tuning that I mistakenly wrote out in haste is called the Slippy augmented tuning by Michael Timler and others.

I just gotta ask - and don't take offense - but are you getting paid every time you mention Michael Timler's name here? LOL.... (j/k)

Elizabeth (a/k/a Scotty)

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2010, 02:27:51 PM »
I have tried lots of alternate tunings, and the one I have decided I like is simple to manifest and very similar to standard.
I use a 56 for my purposes--and lower the first of all the redundant C notes to Bb, and the slide note to B. This can be done with solder, and is reversible if you decide you don't like it.
I can do the work for you, as long as your chromatic is screwed together.
There is a slight fee.
It does not increase the range of your instrument--but a 56 has a pretty good range (I like the harp to start on G, same note a violin starts on).
Bb is the first flat, and so F can be played with no button--Bb requires only one button push, and B requires only one release of the button.
Gary

That would be the "Bebop", would it not?  Would you recommend I do this to my Saxony, SCX 64, or both?

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 03:24:30 PM »
I'd say the 64, I have never done solder on stainless steel but assume it would work. Is that the standard tuning, starts on middle C?
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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 06:05:31 PM »
I'd say the 64, I have never done solder on stainless steel but assume it would work. Is that the standard tuning, starts on middle C?
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It is.  Now, just to clarify, this will not change the note positions I have learned to play thus far, and will add a couple of extras?

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2010, 07:13:58 PM »
If you use blow 4 as a C, or Blow button as a C#, this will take some adjustment.
But hole 5 is the same note.
I don't need two of the same note next to each other.
But for example, if you are used to going from the A on draw 3 to the C on blow 4, you will have to do something different.
If you didn't have to change anything, nothing would be different 8) :o
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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2010, 07:56:37 PM »

I don't need two of the same note next to each other.


I'd rather hit a wrong note than hit the right note but not be at the right place on the instrument! ::)  In this way it should be a better set up.  I think I might try it, and if I like it, I will find someone to re-tune my Saxony, as you cannot solder stainless.

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2010, 12:51:43 AM »
Hmmm . . .
I don't think I can't solder stainless steel . . .
I just haven't done it before.
Guess I'd better go try it!
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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2010, 01:08:21 AM »
Hi Scotty


I just gotta ask - and don't take offense - but are you getting paid every time you mention Michael Timler's name here? LOL.... (j/k)


LOL.  :D No offense taken. I just think that good craftsmanship should be promoted. By the way, there's this fellow name Michael Timler, maybe you've heard of him ...

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Re: OK. Please Explain
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 01:35:30 AM »
Hi Scotty


I just gotta ask - and don't take offense - but are you getting paid every time you mention Michael Timler's name here? LOL.... (j/k)


LOL.  :D No offense taken. I just think that good craftsmanship should be promoted. By the way, there's this fellow name Michael Timler, maybe you've heard of him ...

lol  :-X

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