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diminished layout
« on: September 07, 2011, 09:33:25 AM »
Looking at my notepad I had underlined  that comment I read Somewhere :

''I play in all keys on chromatic, but I've changed the note layout to C diminished which means I only need to know 3 patterns to play in all keys it makes life a lot easier, and lets me focus more on the music rather than the instrument.''

 If it is so why hasn’t been spread widely?Where is the truth and where the fake?




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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 10:46:49 AM »
please show the three patterns

STEFANOS

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 10:54:17 AM »
I do not have any pattern. That's why I asked.

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 11:41:54 AM »
Somebody in this forum wrote that. I remember reading it myself. I guess the only thing to do is peruse all the past six months' threads on alternate tunings.

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 11:46:24 AM »
I don't have the link handy, but the "Harp On" website has an excellent summary of diminished tuning.  It also has layout diagrams and interval diagrams.  Google "chromatic harmonica diminished layout" and it should be one of the top results.

We also have lots of discussion on diminished tuning on the SlideMeister alternate tunings board.

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 11:58:26 AM »
. . . which is where this thread will be redirected soon.
I don't employ the diminished tuning, but have experimented with lots of alternate tunings (ask anyone), here is a link to a thread I started quite some time ago about an alternative diminished tuning, slightly different that the normal one.
I don't think it's better, I do know it's easier to get used to for the casual experimenter of alternate tunings.
https://forums.SlideMeister.com/index.php?topic=3417.msg37714#msg37714
« Last Edit: September 07, 2011, 12:05:49 PM by Gnarly He Man »

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 05:58:31 PM »
Yes, it sounds too good to be true, yet it is true.   ;D

I play diminished tuning exclusively.  There is also augmented tuning which has four patterns.

You can start the tuning on any note.

C dim tuning would be:

hole 1:  C, Db, D, Eb
hole 2:  Eb, E, F, Gb, and so on...

Every draw button is the same note as the blow in the next hole to the right, giving you 4 evenly spaced enharmonics throughout the octave.

It's a symmetrical, or fixed interval tuning, which means each interval will be created with the same breath & button pattern regardless of where you are on the instrument. 

There are still 12 keys of course, but the patterns repeat themselves every minor third, so playing in C is the same as playing in Eb, Gb, & A.  You simply move one hole to the right and you are up a minor 3rd.

There are several reasons why the tuning is not more popular yet.  They are not readily available except through Seydel's harp configurator.  If you want a different model you have to special order, replace reeds, or retune them from solo tuning. 

Also, once players become accustomed to solo tuning, they are less likely to want to 'start over' with a new tuning. 

I am happy to answer any and all questions you may have, so fire away.

Grant

 

 







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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 06:14:29 PM »
There are several reasons why the tuning is not more popular yet.  They are not readily available except through Seydel's harp configurator.  If you want a different model you have to special order, replace reeds, or retune them from solo tuning.
I do the dimi retune, ask for details.
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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 06:35:23 PM »
http://www.angelfire.com/music/HarpOn/
Look on the left column under Pat's Musings

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 01:01:06 AM »
. . . which is where this thread will be redirected soon.
Welcome to your new home!
Which is another reason why no one knows about these things . . .

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 08:55:46 PM »
Here are the links I mentioned above.  Diminished Layouts http://www.angelfire.com/music/harmonica/dimichromlayouts.html

Patterns to play a scale in various keys on each of the three layouts: http://www.angelfire.com/music/harmonica/dimichromintervals.html

For any given diminished harp, there are three patterns.  Your tonic note is either a blow, a blow with button press, or a draw.  That establishes the pattern (or position) you use for that key.  Four keys will fall into each "position."  Which keys map to which position depends on which of the three dimi layouts you have.  If you have a dimi in each of the three layouts, you can play any key in any position by switching harps. 

Sean

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2011, 01:19:06 PM »
What happened to you Stefanos?  Are you busy retuning your harmonicas or what?

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2011, 01:48:35 PM »
I was busy, but now I have found (having the great help of Robertpcoble) what I was looking { Hitzaz tuning }for:

This is the answer of Hohner to my inquiry for circulating ''Stefanos'' Hitzaz tuning in Eastern Countries .

We have no problem to understand the benefit from this tuning , however , if we simply look at our sales of harmonic minor tunings, you will very fast understand, that nothing else than the Standard Richter Tuning is the standard worldwide and the demand for other tunings is about zero.
You can modify any harmonica as you did on your videos, it’s easily possible, as you know.

Congratulations to this work!


With kindest regards
Hohner Musikinstrumente GmbH & Co. KG
Head of Customer Services
Andreas-Koch-Str. 9
D-78647 Trossingen/Germany

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« Last Edit: September 09, 2011, 02:01:46 PM by STEFANOS »

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2011, 04:39:12 PM »
I thought you were interested in diminished tuning, where 3 patterns give you all 12 keys.

STEFANOS

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Re: diminished layout
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2011, 02:34:15 AM »
Of coarse I am intersted n diminished tuning, tha's why I asked.
When one of my two chromatics becomes detuned I'll change it to diminished one.