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chromatic harmonica silencers
« on: January 15, 2022, 06:21:34 AM »
Hi folks !

1) Can you tell me, pls, if other brands, not just Suzuki , have - silencer for chromatic harmonica in their portfolio ?

2) Are there less known , independent producers of accessories for chromatic harmonica, that are making "working"
silencers for different chromatic harmonica types ?

3) Can someone, pls ,  tell me if harmonica from the set SNB-48 SHINOBIX is actually SCH-48 or similar to it ?
https://suzukimusic-global.com/products_single.php?parent_cate_cd=1&products_cate_cd=3&products_cd=232

Thanks for answers !
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2022, 01:21:15 PM »
A lot depends on how you play - a regular chromatic with valves can usually be played quite quietly.

Play in a room with lots of soft furnishings, rather than a kitchen or bathroom also helps.

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2022, 02:28:09 PM »
~I've~ never needed anything cuz the thing I play is already very quiet, but I'm sure there are ways to build a basic "baffle" type gizmo that will "silence like 60% plus, of the sound. The only trick is to make it "breathe" well enough to avoid that condensation that's gunna show up otherwise.

I mean, wrap a towel around the thing and it'll instantly get real quiet BUT you'll soon have so much moisture in there that even the draw reeds will have sticking valves. Might be a fun project; expecially if you play something like a CX-12, which is notoriously "forthcoming," volume-wise. ;)
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2022, 04:17:43 PM »
Most of the valveless chromatics can be played very quietly.  In my experience, the Easttop 
Forerunner NV and Seydel Nonslider (both 12 hole) can be played at low volume, as well as most 10 hole valveless chromatics.

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2022, 02:51:14 PM »
Interesting little thing , looks like one could try "the Huffler" for diatonic harps

https://thehuffler.com/

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2022, 04:15:32 PM »
Oh definitely! You could play a suck-harp into a bath towel, and it wouldn't mind at all because there's no valves in a diatonic for moisture to mess up.
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2022, 05:33:49 PM »
Hey, it's Your money, so .....   
When I want to be more quiet than usual
I just use less air. But to each their own.


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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2022, 10:12:49 PM »
try this again:
Oh definitely! You could play a suck-harp into a bath towel, and it wouldn't mind at all because there's no valves in a diatonic for moisture to mess up.

(that last sentence makes more sense when I actually put enough words in it.  :-[)

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2022, 02:48:03 AM »
The most effective silencing I find,
is to play something very annoying and have everyone yell at you to shut up :)
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2022, 04:36:34 AM »
try this again:
Oh definitely! You could play a suck-harp into a bath towel, and it wouldn't mind at all because there's no valves in a diatonic for moisture to mess up.
...or even a valveless chromatic, why fiddle with one of those little things.  ;D

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2022, 09:34:02 AM »
Try using soft earplugs and playing softly

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2022, 01:57:04 PM »
try this again:
Oh definitely! You could play a suck-harp into a bath towel, and it wouldn't mind at all because there's no valves in a diatonic for moisture to mess up.
...or even a valveless chromatic, why fiddle with one of those little things.  ;D

I'm too addicted to "tight as a bug's ear" otherwise, I'd probably be a valveless fan. When I hear air leaking, insteadda moving a reed, I stop playing and go do something else. ;D (like fix the harumka, or go out and work in the garage or something)
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2022, 06:21:46 PM »
I wear hearing aids as some others do. I just turn down the aids volume or pull them half out. There is a markedly difference between soft and loud . I’ve been disappointed with a loud sound then played softer and it sounded improved. Of course the test is not when we play but when we listen to our recording.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2022, 06:24:55 AM »
My favourite way of taking a little of the edge off the harmonica volume is with a lined beeny hat that I got from a £1 bargain shop. I just hold it over the back of the chromatic with my left hand - it makes a nice tone filter too. Only problem is it is dark blue - so if I can find exactly the same thing in black that would look better (with the harmonica) I think.

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2022, 07:36:17 PM »
ALSO, on my Chromes, that don't have wood covers, at the least, I have medical "surgical" tape on the inside (sometimes even on the outside - which looks pretty dumb, but does have a certain "dampening effect.

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2022, 12:38:28 PM »
ALSO, on my Chromes, that don't have wood covers, at the least, I have medical "surgical" tape on the inside (sometimes even on the outside - which looks pretty dumb, but does have a certain "dampening effect.

Surgical tape??  That sounds a little strange but what do I know.. 
Might have to try it just because.... All I have is duct tape. (Red Green thing)
Does it ever come loose & interfere with the reeds?

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2022, 12:42:37 PM »
 Husbands, wives, and significant others seem to silence harmonicas better than anything else I've heard of.

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2022, 01:00:14 PM »
ALSO, on my Chromes, that don't have wood covers, at the least, I have medical "surgical" tape on the inside (sometimes even on the outside - which looks pretty dumb, but does have a certain "dampening effect.

Surgical tape??  That sounds a little strange but what do I know.. 
Might have to try it just because.... All I have is duct tape. (Red Green thing)
Does it ever come loose & interfere with the reeds?

Yeah, Butch! It's this stuff: "Durapore" for me, there's just enough difference that I have it on everything that has stock covers.

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2022, 04:21:48 PM »
Where you place pieces of this tape, exactly on/in harmonica :o
On plates to get better grip , change a bit sound itslef ??  ::)
Now, you put me in ..thinking process ... maybe another of your photos will reveal if I am right or wrong in guessing :)

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2022, 07:28:00 PM »
I put it on the inside of the coverplates. You can add layers of tape until the valves/reeds begin to make contact. The tape is soft and sound absorptive.  You can also add tape to the outside of the coverplates as an extra dampening method. A simple way to test if the "outside dampening" is going to work is to simply wrap a moist facecloth/wash-rag (or even modeling clay) around the thing and play something. The effect is NOT going to be earth-shattering, but works (for me) in proportion to how loud the instrument is in the first place.

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2022, 07:53:48 PM »
I tried Durapore as an air seal but it didn’t satisfy me.  I affixed it to the empty reed plates and used a razor knife to cut out the slots.  It did work a little but not as well as I had hoped.  It is still in a couple old one helping a little with air tightness.  I haven’t attempted to reduce my harmonicas volume in any way though.
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2022, 09:36:11 PM »
Nah! I'm sure Durapore would suck as an air sealer

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2022, 09:43:24 PM »
Where you place pieces of this tape, exactly on/in harmonica :o
On plates to get better grip , change a bit sound itslef ??  ::)
Now, you put me in ..thinking process ... maybe another of your photos will reveal if I am right or wrong in guessing :)

Nah. It looks like that ratty camera bought the farm. Just picture that tape on the outside of the coverplate. Nothing complicated. One thing I kinda like about it is the way it feels in my hands. If you get your hands dirty, wash them before playing because that tape can get dirty pretty fast, and doesn't look cool.

Haven't tried it yet, but on the outside, any kind of fabric tape (like duct tape) should be worth a try.  There are no rules here; most folks already think you're weird for playing a "mouth organ" so while a little tape might not make much difference; it'll satisfy your curiosity. :)
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2022, 04:01:33 PM »


Yeah, Butch! It's this stuff:
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OK..  Kinky enough for me..  It's worth a try.  ;D

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2022, 04:51:19 PM »
Definitely Mrs. Waggoner!
In elementary school, I usta play (kinda like the pied piper) when all 25 of us kids marched to our next class. Mrs. Waggoner (who also excelled at pulling the skin between my chin and my Adam's apple, down to my belly button, just to see if she could make my eyes water) would "silence" me if she was ever in earshot."

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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2022, 04:38:30 AM »
This kind of lining would only be for harmonicas with metal covers. Of course you wouldn't need that kind of softening on a CX12 or on something with wood covers.

(A.J. - you should have told Mrs Waggoner to 'get on her wagon' - or words to that effect.)
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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2022, 07:11:34 AM »
Hello Punto,
I know you ask for a different silencer than the Shinobix, but in case you want to hear the difference on volume compared to a regular harmonica, here is a link to my 20 seconds video on Instagram (if you have Instagram):

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZCxZ7FqPxL/?utm_medium=share_sheet

Cheers!

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2022, 11:10:48 AM »
Cheers Hiro !
Many thanks for your time and recording !
Reduction of sound is obvious :)

Thanks again!
BB, P:)             
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2022, 02:35:58 PM »
I don't have instagram! :(

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Re: chromatic harmonica silencers
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2022, 05:59:30 AM »
Hi Fedor,
I uploaded the video to YouTube, so you can hear the Shinobix in action.
It is a very short video and my skills are not great (yet :P) so it may be not enough to see the possibilities, but I can tell that the difference in volume is noticeable and it is an amazing device for practicing.