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Title: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 22, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
Why is a harmonica sometimes referred to as a harp ?
Search engines confirm the definition but without explanation.


Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on November 22, 2019, 02:41:32 PM
Dunno, but you'll never hear me use the term (except of course for the term "suckharp" since I made the term up twenty years ago)

To me, the picture below is a harp, and nothin' will ever change that. :)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: dougharps on November 22, 2019, 03:55:14 PM
I learned the term regarding diatonic, as Hohner reportedly had a model called French Harp.

Pat Missin offers more info:

https://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q3.html (https://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q3.html)


Doug S.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 22, 2019, 04:30:26 PM
Great info.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Ray J on November 23, 2019, 01:36:19 AM
Dunno, but you'll never hear me use the term (except of course for the term "suckharp" since I made the term up twenty years ago)

To me, the picture below is a harp, and nothin' will ever change that. :)

Same shape as a 128

Ray 
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Aluvsupreme on November 25, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
My daughter plays the grand harp.  I only wish it was as easy to transport as a Chromatic.
 I also will never refer to a harmonica as a harp.        Brian
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 25, 2019, 04:06:02 PM
It is easier however to type “harp” than “harmonica”. 😊

Maybe a new abbreviation is in order ?


Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: brorat on November 25, 2019, 07:37:05 PM
I have no clue where the term originated. Both of my granddads called theirs harps. I have no problem referring to mine as a harp. Everyone knows what I mean, and it feels comfortable to me. Brings back good memories from a simpler time.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 25, 2019, 08:20:49 PM
Harp makes sense to me. A succession of long to short individually played strings, vs a succession of long to short individually played reeds (albeit split on two levels, but some early harps had staggered strings too). I probably wouldn't call in a harp in real life conversation, but it does make typing a little simpler.

Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: smojoe on November 25, 2019, 08:54:13 PM
I believe harp originated in New Orleans. Early proponents that tended to be Cajun & Creole had a proclivity (one of my many Kleptos, lol), for naming anything WONDERFUL in a Frenchified manner. As well they should. Ergo the term 'French Harp'. Later simply shortened to harp, mouth harp, and so on.

broken
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Keith on November 26, 2019, 05:13:00 AM
I know it from 'blues harp', referring to a diatonic, but no idea why, but sometimes, I will call it that.

As for my chromatics, I call them chroms, & my tremolos are just tremolos, (I suppose I could call them trems). :)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 26, 2019, 07:25:12 AM
What is an “axe” in Slidereze ?


Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Keith on November 26, 2019, 08:41:24 AM
An 'axe' is your instrument, supposedly from saxaphone players, but I know it from guitars. :)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: smojoe on November 26, 2019, 09:28:07 AM
Similar to the use of ebonics of today, during the beatnick era, they were fond of slanging out various terms in order to have a language all their own. From hence came the term wood shedding. And chops. Chops referred to choppers or mouth. When you needed to improve your chops you retired to the wood shed and practiced cutting kindling. Till you were better at it. This is universal music speak not just slidereeze.

smoj

Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on November 26, 2019, 01:09:56 PM
"I chop a tin, I beat a skin" ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 26, 2019, 01:18:17 PM
I’m starting to like Joplins “harpoon” .
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Keith on November 26, 2019, 01:26:06 PM
As long as you don't keep it in a dirty red bandana.......... ;)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on November 27, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
I’m starting to like Joplins “harpoon” .
Actually - Kristofferson's. ;)

I was going to say that as far as I know mostly blues guys refer to their instruments as harps while most other harmonica players don't usually. I'm with Keith...when I don't use the full word, the shortened version 'chrom' suffices, but otherwise I call my instruments harmonicas. Growing up in Scotland it was called a mouth organ so I far prefer harmonica to that. Like Age, I'm a bit particular in that a 'harp' is exactly that and not the instrument we play. :)

scotty
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: smojoe on November 27, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
Bobby McGhee was released Jul. 69, just in time for Woodstock Aug. 69. I started to play it in Sept 69. One of the few tunes that you can easily play in second position on a Richter tuned diat. Never liked the word harp, never liked the Joplin version. And I always played it rather fast. Like McCoy's version. Which he recorded a few years LATER. lolol. 

Btw, I never knew Charlie to play FOUR diatonics all held at the same time on a FAST tune. He WOULD do that on some slower tunes (like Danny Boy) where he used a crossed diat. on the melody and one played straight on the bridge. Then a second set if he modulated up a half tone. A total of four. I never used more than two.

Btw, when Charlie did play a chromatic, he used one that was in the same key as the tune. (are you reading this Elizabeth). We were once playing Crazy in A and after a diat. portion I went to a chromo. He asked if it was tuned in A, and I said "No, I'm using a C". He nodded in approval.

I call them chromo because I am from the planet chromo. Which has been wrongly named by the Greeks. Who are the Greeks to name our planet?   :)

smojo 
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Chromatonic on November 27, 2019, 05:00:43 PM
I (a Blues guy) don't like the word 'harp' for my mouth-operated free-reed instruments, partly because one of my siblings plays an Irish Harp. I prefer to distinguish between the two.

I refer to mine as 'instruments', or 'harmonicas', and rarely as 'axes', 'whistles' or 'heaters'.

Sometimes in conversations with friends who are accustomed to my verbal shorthand, I call them 'tonics or chroms, respectively. :D
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: dougharps on November 27, 2019, 05:33:22 PM
When I refer to playing one of my chromatic harmonicas I sometimes shorten the name to "chromatic".

I played "Blues Harps" in the '70s.

I also heard non-blues players refer to "French Harps" back then.

If I do use the term "harp" I usually mean diatonic harmonica, though sometimes I mean the lager from Dublin.

The stringed variety are seldom seen around here, though a steel player friend of mine enjoys stringed harp concerts.

Robert Hunter (see my signature below) refers to the "harp unstrung" which seems to be a good description of a diatonic harmonica.

I found the info in the Pat Missin link I posted above to be interesting.


Doug S.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 27, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
Missin link found 🙂
Excellent!
TNX


Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Ray J on November 28, 2019, 01:19:50 AM
Is it a carry over from the Jews Harp

Ray
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Sea Born on November 28, 2019, 07:03:48 PM
I like these:
moothie - Scotland
gob iron - various parts of the UK

How 'bout BB, short for 'button bundle'?

Ok.  Maybe just 'chrom', tho sometimes I call it a hrmca ("HERMcuh").

 :)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Crawforde on November 28, 2019, 08:36:40 PM
I like harp unstrung, but it’s a bit awkward to say.
Moothie is my favorite and gob iron makes me smile.
Harp is just simple.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on November 28, 2019, 08:45:30 PM
I say harp all the time.
Harpoon is odd,  innit?
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 28, 2019, 11:45:09 PM
One dictionary says a person who plays a harp is a harper or harpist.

I don’t want to be either !  Identity crisis here.

Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on November 28, 2019, 11:50:24 PM
Harmonicist.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on November 29, 2019, 02:32:37 AM
Harmonicist.

Harmonicist or harmonica player. Both work, but I agree with you, Gary - I prefer harmonicist too. It has a certain elan. Chromaticist as well.

scotty
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Chromatonic on November 29, 2019, 02:34:04 AM
Harmonicist.

That has a nice ring to it!  ;)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on November 29, 2019, 02:51:04 AM
I say harp all the time.
Harpoon is odd,  innit?

I never say harp, but do agree that 'harpoon' is odd. I always wondered why Kristofferson came up with that particular description...unless
he felt it just fit the song - maybe needing a longer word than 'harp' to fit that particular phrase '____from my dirty red bandana'. Poetic license?
:)

scotty
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on November 29, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
John Sebastian has a tune called Harpoon . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQJRvFfMZQ
But he didn't coin the term.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: smojoe on November 29, 2019, 12:46:39 PM
DEFinitely poetic license.

I trust that he needed THREE syllables to match the notes. SO..I pulled my 'har-poon-out' fits the flow.
He could have written..I pulled my 'blues-harp-out' to match the notes BUT he mentions blues rather
closely in the next line. And such close proximity of the word blues would have been over exposure of
that word.
Another problem would have been to use..I pulled my 'Harp - out'. But that would have left a hole in the
center of the three notes. Naah, too empty.

smo-joe
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 29, 2019, 07:23:51 PM
Pat Missin’s site specifically uses the word “chrom” in his chromatic discussion.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on November 30, 2019, 11:12:36 AM
I also use "harumka" for my Chromatic, cuz it types easier than capitalizing the C (which is another personal law I made for myself) ;D
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 30, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
AND, “harumka” qualifies as being phonetlically acceptable.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on November 30, 2019, 05:00:29 PM
Hey, "harumka" has worked great for me since I wuzza kid! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: cisco on November 30, 2019, 05:31:30 PM
phonetically acceptable = good 🙂

As in “sounds like”.


Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on November 30, 2019, 05:39:01 PM
Yep; AND it's even easier to pronounce (fits me well since I always was a bit on the lazy side  ;D )
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on November 30, 2019, 05:54:04 PM
DEFinitely poetic license.

I trust that he needed THREE syllables to match the notes. SO..I pulled my 'har-poon-out' fits the flow.
He could have written..I pulled my 'blues-harp-out' to match the notes BUT he mentions blues rather
closely in the next line. And such close proximity of the word blues would have been over exposure of
that word.
Another problem would have been to use..I pulled my 'Harp - out'. But that would have left a hole in the
center of the three notes. Naah, too empty.

smo-joe
almost exactly my same thought process. :)

scotty
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on November 30, 2019, 05:56:23 PM
Pat Missin’s site specifically uses the word “chrom” in his chromatic discussion.

I've personally never visited his site, but for me it just makes sense to abbreviate chromatic to 'chrom'. Logical, especially when mentioning our instrument several times in one sitting.

scotty
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: smojoe on November 30, 2019, 11:33:27 PM
I tend to use Chro. or Diat. exCEPT here. Where I 'make it my own' with chromo. Using goofy words doesn't upset me at all. I simply don't spend any time thinking about it.
smo-j
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: John Broecker on August 01, 2020, 03:53:38 PM
Barracuda = slide chromatic

shark harp = diatonic

tremblor = tremolo

octane = octave

nitroglyph = glissando

Acorn = a chord

boss = bass


jb
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: smojoe on August 01, 2020, 07:33:02 PM
Where's this comong from 'John the Mon'?
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: John Broecker on August 01, 2020, 11:27:27 PM
I know that my post # 42  may be far out in
Omega Land.

The post was a suggestion of nicknames for  the
7 major harmonica types.

The word, "harp" was originally used to describe
a musical instrument that plays mostly arpeggios:
the harp string instrument.

It was applied to the harmonica, for it's "harp-like"
easy play of arpeggios.

The nickname "harp" has been used with harmonicas
since the very beginning of the Aeolian harmonica,
also known as a "wind harp" (circa 1821 or earlier).

John Broecker

Best Regards, Stay Healthy.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on August 01, 2020, 11:57:02 PM
https://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q3.html (https://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q3.html)
I just exchanged emails with Pat today, so he seems to be doing well.
And Doug is still posting elsewhere, so he too seems to be surviving the plague.
John may need a new hobby.
I am thinking of learning to play the diatonic piano.
https://youtu.be/tB8ITQGp-is
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: dwhite60 on August 02, 2020, 08:33:16 AM
Yet another type of "harp". Auto-Harp.

This is my wife competing at the Mountain Laurel Autoharp Gathering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qilGQN-U3U0
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: John Broecker on August 02, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
If you are referring to this John
as possibly needing another hobby,
I'm interested in a great many hobbies.

But, I don't have time for any new
hobbies, and seldom participate in
my older hobbies.

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

John Broecker
The Fred Gwynne of Harmonicas
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on August 02, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
Auto-harp; (SlideMeister definition)
A secondary Chromatic harmonica that's usually
kept in the glove box and played while driving  ;D
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: ejacob4 on August 02, 2020, 01:58:24 PM
My first instrument was a Hohner Blues Harp. Thoughts:

It was definitely not a harp.
I should not like to hear blues played on a harp.
Harps seem to have a reputation for being played in . . . Higher venues.
Blues artists arrange their training elsewhere, Robert Johnson et al.

Chromatic, or chrom, in my experience, are terms best avoided with those unfamiliar with the instrument. I did not enjoy explaining the device, or the playing of it to one who did not know much at all about it.

On the other hand, Saying “this,” plucking it out of one’s breast pocket and ripping out a riff, with a trill and a nice trailing throat vibrato, then saying, “like that,” usually handles the what and how questions.

Best regards,
Ed
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: John Broecker on August 02, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
SlideMeister Definition: Auto-Valve Harp:

An octave harp with a heart condition.

jb
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: brorat on August 02, 2020, 03:20:41 PM
https://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q3.html (https://www.patmissin.com/ffaq/q3.html)
I am thinking of learning to play the diatonic piano.
https://youtu.be/tB8ITQGp-is

I sent the link of this young lady playing to my 12 year old grandson ...who LOVES music. I explained that the piano has only the 52 white keys, so can only be played in C major.

He quickly replied, “Really cool, Pop. BTW, she can also play in A minor”.

Smarty pants!! :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on August 02, 2020, 04:01:40 PM
SlideMeister Definition: Auto-Valve Harp:

An octave harp with a heart condition.

jb

That'll work too :)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on August 02, 2020, 04:04:52 PM
Brorat
I dunno bro. Seems to me like a waste to put all that money into a fine, albeit "limited" instrument. :P
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: brorat on August 02, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
Brorat
I dunno bro. Seems to me like a waste to put all that money into a fine, albeit "limited" instrument. :P

I agree!  It’s like paying full price for half an instrument!!
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: vid wes on August 02, 2020, 07:12:08 PM
Hard to understand why someone would do that.  All the time and expense of building a piano that no one will want.

Seems a waste.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on August 02, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
It’s a novelty.
They build pianos.
She plays it well.
I changed my mind, I’m not buying one.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: harp_unstrung on August 04, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
I imagine Howard Levy could figure out a way to play it chromatically ...
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: John Broecker on March 10, 2021, 06:45:51 PM
Harmonicist? Chromaticist?

A doctor would tell you that a "cyst" is
something to be removed.

I use whatever harmonica name seems
to be most popular and most understood,
or shorter to print on the page.

I'm not ashamed of any of the titles for
harmonicas, I just use the one that's most
convenient at the moment.

Mass-produced harmonicas were called
harps as far back as the 1850s, in USA musical
instrument catalogs.

One of the first known harmonicas with it's
name as Harp on it's covers, was the Hohner
Auto Valve Harp, an octave harp introduced in
1903. It was produced to circa 2017-'18 (?).

Another Hohner harp is still made today:  the
Blues Harp, introduced circa the early 1960s.
It's a Richter 10-hole diatonic harmonica.

Best Regards, Stay Healthy.

joHN broeckER
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on March 10, 2021, 09:19:32 PM
Once someone asked my brother: "Your little brother plays the harp, right?" and Jimmy said: I dunno; he could prolly fit one in his mouth, but I don't think he could play it.

I've never referred to one of these hand held, air operated, slide directed, bi-directional lunguaphoniums as a harp. "Suck-harp," on the other hand, is a term ~I~ coined back in the last millennium, referring to diabolic harumkas. (yep! I can not tell a lie; I'm the guy what done it)  ;D

Seriously, if I can't fit it in my big mouth, it ain't a harp, and I don't play no steenkin' harp. At least not yet. ;)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Danny G on March 11, 2021, 09:06:54 PM
When it comes right down to it, if it wasn't for 2 diatonics sandwiched together, there wouldn't be chromatics.
If I didn't know that you play them I'd be calling you a  harpophobic
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on March 11, 2021, 10:27:55 PM
Of course I play them! I prolly play them better than the guy in the Friday night band at any local  beer joint, but that really ain't sayin' much. ;D ;D. An Orangutan can do that, but Buddy Greene, Tod Parrot, Joe Flisco, Mad Cat, P.T, Howard, Jason Ricci and the like? Those guys walk on water! Anything less (to me) aren't really worth listening to for me. (heck, last time I checked, I don't even listen to me when I play suck-harps.  ;D ;D)
 
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: OhioMusicalSawMan on April 23, 2021, 02:18:31 AM
Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't care for the word "Harp" to describe the Harmonica. Harmonicist certainly has a nice ring to it. Chromonica is also growing on me, as I quickly became bored with the diatonic and graduated to the Chromatic.  Playing by ear, finding the notes to whatever tune suits my fancy, and continuing to play over and over, "woodshedding" until I can play the tune smoothly, and add lots of expression is what playing the Harmonica is all about for me. Therapy for raw nerves after a hard day at work.

I've always thought some of the old jazzer lingo, such as "woodshedding", were kind of goofy, but never gave it much thought. Back in 1980, when I first started playing Trumpet in gradeschool, the old timers used all of the jazz lingo. Some "cat" was blowing on his horn, etc. I used to have a mental picture of someone's pet cat sitting in a chair like a human, playing up a storm on the trumpet, sax, etc., with the audience marveling at how an animal could outplay all of the humans on a musical instrument :) 
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: John Broecker on April 23, 2021, 11:36:54 AM
You may use whichever name you prefer,
to replace the name, "Harp".

On another topic discussed here, about cats:

My harmonica playing sounds like a cat,
begging for more cat food.

I've never heard a horse do a respectable
interpretation of Gallop, from The Comedians.

And fish, they have too many scales.

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

JB
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on May 05, 2021, 09:36:31 AM
I used to have a mental picture of someone's pet cat sitting in a chair like a human, playing up a storm on the trumpet, sax, etc., with the audience marveling at how an animal could outplay all of the humans on a musical instrument :)
Picture this!
https://youtu.be/aqz816h5VLo
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on May 05, 2021, 02:43:12 PM
Gnarley,
That type of music makes as much "musical" sense to me as the the word "harp" makes "physical" sense, but it is fascinating to hear someone who can do it.  8) (I know ~I'll~ NEVER be able to do that if I lived another two hundred years.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on May 06, 2021, 12:07:05 AM
Gnarley,
That type of music makes as much "musical" sense to me as the the word "harp" makes "physical" sense, but it is fascinating to hear someone who can do it.  8) (I know ~I'll~ NEVER be able to do that if I lived another two hundred years.
It’s a blues—with jazz changes.
Written by Hampton Hawes, first recorded by Wardell Gray.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Humanguy on May 06, 2021, 05:25:43 PM
Of course I play them! I prolly play them better than the guy in the Friday night band at any local  beer joint, but that really ain't sayin' much. ;D ;D. An Orangutan can do that, but Buddy Greene, Tod Parrot, Joe Flisco, Mad Cat, P.T, Howard, Jason Ricci and the like? Those guys walk on water! Anything less (to me) aren't really worth listening to for me. (heck, last time I checked, I don't even listen to me when I play suck-harps.  ;D ;D)

Hi Age - Here's a guy from France who might just blow those other guys away on the little old diatonic running through some effects. Solo starts at 37, the rest of it is just ho hum fusion stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPTxqj90R7I

Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on May 07, 2021, 01:11:42 AM
I liked the drummer best ;D
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: harp_unstrung on May 10, 2021, 05:45:02 PM
Why is a harmonica sometimes referred to as a harp ?
Search engines confirm the definition but without explanation.

Harmonica is very much like a harp except that there are no strings ...

A harp-like African instrument - Kora - is similar in that one set of notes is on one side of the playing plane and played mostly by plucking with the right hand - the other set of notes (roughly in thirds) is played by the left hand (compare to your blow and draw).  At one point a few years ago I found information on the interweb about a class of instruments with this layout - for instance, the kalimba (another harp with no strings ... ) - not able to find/confirm this though - perhaps I was dreaming ...
Title: Re: The Word "Harp"
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 28, 2021, 10:44:45 PM
Testing.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 28, 2021, 10:45:56 PM
?Harp?.
This is a test.
Title: Random characters, no, not you
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 28, 2021, 10:47:20 PM
iOS postings have odd characters.
But not from my laptop running Windows.
It's not just me either.
Have fun!
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on June 28, 2021, 11:03:18 PM
I'm still trying to figure it out from this end. Maybe I'll fire up a PC and check and see what that does.
don't can't it's ain't  "hello"  This mac doesn't seem to be affected. I know the host run's on linux I read something tht said it had to do with the language setting. I'll probably hafta pay someone to fix it. :(
Title: Re: The Bird is the Word
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 29, 2021, 12:00:04 AM
Nah, let it be.
No more contractions!
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on June 29, 2021, 12:12:50 AM
I was digging around in "the basement" a couple hours ago. Changed a few options, cleaned out a few things and reset the "English" language protocol. Let's see how that worketh.  ;D
Title: Re: The Word ?Harmonica?
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 29, 2021, 12:23:37 AM
Nope, still Fon-Kay.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Grizzly on June 29, 2021, 11:07:54 AM
Gnarley,
That type of music makes as much "musical" sense to me as the the word "harp" makes "physical" sense, but it is fascinating to hear someone who can do it.  8) (I know ~I'll~ NEVER be able to do that if I lived another two hundred years.
It’s a blues—with jazz changes.
Written by Hampton Hawes, first recorded by Wardell Gray.
Is it just my computer, or are others seeing that Gnarly's apostrophes look really strange? As in, It’s a blues—. Other things are strange, too, with question marks in place of apostrophes and m-dashes (shift-option-hyphen on Macs).

as I said, is it just on my computer?

Tom

Aha! I should have read more replies. Seems Age is already addressing this. FWIW, here's another test: the following is an m-dash: ? If it looks like a ?, we're not home yet.

T

We're not home yet. M-dashes used to work.

T
Title: Re: The Word "Harp"
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 29, 2021, 11:32:15 AM
Doesn't manifest itself from my PC.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Keith on June 29, 2021, 01:21:19 PM
I suggest looking to see if you are using UTF-8 encoding, or not.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on June 29, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
I have an option to "Convert the database and data to UTF-8"
Think I should I run a check?
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Keith on June 29, 2021, 04:15:21 PM
Not yet, I don't think so, but it may be somewhere in the forum settings.

Here's a link to something that may help.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2477452/%C3%A2%E2%82%AC-showing-on-page-instead-of
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on June 29, 2021, 10:25:27 PM
Greetings Earthlings.
I just went thru an old thread (How much do you warm your harmonica) and edited it for ??farkles??.
PC posts just fine.
Have fun.
Further edit--I copied the strange characters from the Subject line and pasted them into this post, and they came back as question marks.
Curiouser and curiouser . . .
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on July 02, 2021, 08:40:51 PM
I did a few more things in the basement, and my very expensive (but pretty good) techie is waiting for the go-ahead. Are we still having problems?

don't ain't  ' ' ' '   Seems to be working okay on this end with this PC notebook.  :-\
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Grizzly on July 02, 2021, 10:10:02 PM
Here's an m-dash: ? Let's see:

Still comes out a ?

Try an n-dash: ? followed by a hyphen: - and an underline: _

an accent: ? an umlaut: ? a bullet: ? a cents: ? English pound: ? Euro: ? copyright: ?

Anything that requires the option key or shift-option doesn't work.

Tom



Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on July 02, 2021, 10:52:02 PM
Still funky
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Keith on July 03, 2021, 04:45:11 AM
@'"?%&~#<>

All the usual culprits seem to be OK here.

May I just ask that the people having this problem check their computer settings for Country & for Keyboard, before Age spends money on his tech guy.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on July 26, 2021, 12:42:49 AM
This message comes to you from my new laptop, just getting it ready for the (eventual, potential) gig.
"No problems from a Windows machine".
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on July 26, 2021, 12:43:49 AM
And this is from my ?iPad?.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on July 26, 2021, 12:45:32 AM
Now from my iPhone, just for ?fun?.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on July 26, 2021, 12:49:30 AM
So as you can see, the issue is the use of certain punctuation marks when sent from an iOS device.
Looks like there are about a dozen of them, converts them all to question marks.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on July 26, 2021, 12:58:36 AM
Yeah my web guy is getting ready to start on the problem as soon as he gets my money. :)
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on July 28, 2021, 04:10:29 AM
Yup: just checking in late at night (found a few moments) and the heading reads: Re: The Word aCoeHarpaC (and a square box after that). Some of it I can't duplicate--such as the cedillas over the a's and the weird 'C' - which isn't really. Same computer I've been on forever with SlideMeister.

scotty
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Gnarly He Man on July 28, 2021, 04:40:53 AM
Hi there! What's shakin'?
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: A.J. Fedor on July 28, 2021, 11:05:00 PM
Yup: just checking in late at night (found a few moments) and the heading reads: Re: The Word aCoeHarpaC (and a square box after that). Some of it I can't duplicate--such as the cedillas over the a's and the weird 'C' - which isn't really. Same computer I've been on forever with SlideMeister.

scotty

Check the "Insiders" board Scotty. I just put my web guy (or maybe it's a girl?) I don't know for sure. he/she ain't cheap, but very good. ;D Got some pretty big stuff in the works at the moment.
Title: Re: The Word “Harp”.
Post by: Scotty on August 01, 2021, 02:30:20 AM
To be honest, Age, I always forget to look at the insiders board. Thanks for the reminder. Will do.

Unsure if your 'what's shakin' was for me, Gary? Hangin' in. As always. Still totally exhausted - each time I think I'm going to have a day to rest, something pops up to louse it up.

We've had such bad weather here as well - and the storms exacerbate my migraines so those've been interfering with my 'leisure' time, lol. (As if I had any).

Hope you're both doing good, as well as your spouses?

scotty