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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #420 on: May 02, 2021, 09:16:28 PM »
Probably most tremolo harmonica players have wondered about the other dual reed harp,  the octave. Back in February a friend gave me a brand new octave harp in G. After 2 months playing I liked it enough to buy another in C. My reviews and some sound samples are in this play list.
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ1G4oHit4xhsBkYVTganjO7Dd-TiJDHU
It plays the same as a tremolo but with a totally different sound.

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« Reply #421 on: June 15, 2021, 07:41:14 PM »
It plays the same as a tremolo but with a totally different sound.

I've got the Seydel "Club" Oktav in D, and it's pretty great. I think it's the same layout as a chromatic in orchestra tuning(?). The octave is below the note, so it's got a nice fat sound - it's like having an accordion in your mouth.

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« Reply #422 on: June 19, 2021, 06:50:29 AM »
My SEYDEL CLUB octave tuning goes always with me and I really like it's sound. Also have a custom SEYDEL FANFARE octave tuned, both in C, and two SEYDEL FANFARE tremolos in C and G, different sound but all of them great sounds!
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #423 on: June 29, 2021, 10:46:27 AM »
Found a new old stock Echo Harp at a music store.  This key combination hasn't been made in years.

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #424 on: June 29, 2021, 01:38:03 PM »
Only ever thought they were made in C/G, that's a great find. :)

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #425 on: June 29, 2021, 01:55:01 PM »
Thanx Beads!
Maybe it's just me; but Beads kinda reminds me of Rich Little. :)

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #426 on: June 29, 2021, 02:08:53 PM »
Thanx Beads!
Maybe it's just me; but Beads kinda reminds me of Rich Little. :)
Ha! Rich has been impersonating me for years. :)
I think he is quite a bit older than me. You guys can call me Rex if you want. Beads was a rather silly name to make up when I joined all those years ago. Or you all can keep calling me beads. It doesn't matter.
By the way, they have more old Hohner stock that is new. Even chromatics. You can get a new old 260 from there. Here is a link to the tremolo stuff:
http://www.newarkmusical.com/index.php?cPath=37_249&osCsid=898eba31839f9ef8d9dbcddb91c7c795
I just ordered a G Echo from them. Their site is weird. I comes up unsecure but each time I ordered it went to secure pages.
I talked to them on the phone. They said they used to be a distributor and that is how they wound up with a lot of unsold stock.
This harp came with the original paper wrapped around it that said to contact the office in Virginia for all warrenty work. They haven't been in Virginia for years. 

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #427 on: September 14, 2021, 12:37:35 AM »
Interesting
I thought Asian play the tremolo, now i found this Tremolo Fan Club, i know the harmonica lovers all over the world not only diatonic and chromatic but also tremolo.
Very nice.

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #428 on: September 18, 2021, 09:03:32 PM »
Keith...  Been following your tremolo thread since you started it, but never really had a reason to post.  I have quite a few tremolos, mostly all pre war.  Love to play and work on them.  And I think I finally have a good enough reason to annoy you nice folks with one of my posts.  I finally stumbled upon an old Hohner Trumpet Call tremolo at a reasonable price, circa early 20th century.  Thought I'd share some of the tear down pics with everyone.  I thought the Trumpet Call was just another old 10-hole 20 reed tremolo with a little wooden box and some brass window dressing applied.  I was right about the wooden box and brass window dressing, but I was wrong about it being a simple 10 note tremolo.  When I got it apart, I was pleasantly surprised that it's a leather valved 40 reed tremolo.  The comb and reed plates look very much like a Hohner Auto-Valve-Harp, with a blow and draw reed sharing each chamber... much like a chromatic.  Richter octave tuned in the key of D.  Lowest note on the left is Low D (D3), with D4 directly below it.  As most people have probably guessed, the brass trumpets don't really do a thing for sound quality or projection.  But when playing the harp without them, it sounds really deep and pleasant going through the little wood box.  Nice resonance.  So here it is in it's first stage of tear down.  Now I'm wondering if there's any difference between the red box Trumpet Call, and the golden wheat colored ones?
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #429 on: September 18, 2021, 09:08:32 PM »
Wow! Valves? Who-da-thunk it?
How 'bout you play a little something for us when you finish it? :)
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #430 on: September 19, 2021, 04:40:44 AM »
I've seen pictures of those, but thought they were only to be found in museums, so yeah, if you can give us a tune on it once it's refurbed, that'd be great.

Re the valves, that's tough luck, I like my tremolos because they don't have valves; just like my liking of valveless chromatics - of course, having valves allows for some extra nauances though.
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #431 on: September 19, 2021, 12:54:31 PM »
It'll probably be hard to find replacement leather valves but modern valves should work just as well, eh?

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« Reply #432 on: September 19, 2021, 04:45:30 PM »
When I rework an old harp that originally came with leather valves, I like to replace them with real leather.  I buy leather lacing from Tandy Leather.  They are 1/8" wide.  I run them through a lace maker to thin them down to about 1-1.5mm.  Then they get a good soaking in Scotchgard water seal.  Let them vent and dry out for several days in a sunny spot, then glue them on with hide glue.  Occasionally I have to use the 'cat whisker' trick from an old horse hair paint brush to give them a little more support...learned this trick from the old pros here at SlideMeister (thanks Smojoe).  More work than using the newer valves (which I really like), but it keeps them more original I think.
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #433 on: September 26, 2021, 11:21:02 PM »
Next week I hope to attend an Octoberfest near me. Getting in the spirit with a double sided Echo harp. Hohner of course.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2C5hz-PC4

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #434 on: September 27, 2021, 01:01:32 AM »
Jah, ve alzo haff vun kommink up zune in Painesville Ohio (about a half-hour up the road) It usually has a great turnout.

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #435 on: September 27, 2021, 01:34:59 AM »
Hello, BigDogDaddyD.

1. I have a re-issue of the Hohner #220
Trumpet Call
, reproduced from 2006-2011?,
to commemorate Hohner's 150th anniversary.

2. The original issue (your model) was produced
from 1906-1931, as a commemorative of Hohner's
50th anniversary. I didn't know that the #220
was available in keys additional to C.

3. If you take away the horns and resonator box,
you'll have the comb and reed plates of the Hohner
Auto Valve Harp #100 (1903-1912) and #105
(1924-2018?).


4. The #105 Auto Valve Harp was sold in the keys of
D,E,F,G,A,Bb,C. It is a Knittlinger (Germany) reed
placement: all of the notes of a scale are factory-
placed on one reed plate, and another scale (or
same scale, an octave higher) are put on the other
reed plate.

6. That's the same reed location system as on a
standard slide chromatic harmonica, but the
Trumpet Call is a diatonic (one factory scale)
harmonica, the chromatic is playable in all
scales derived from the chromatic (12-tone)
scale.

7. Your Hohner #220 Trumpet Call harmonica is not
a tremolo harp. It's an octave harp.

8. Tremolo harps use 2 vertically-paired reeds of the
same pitch, with one slightly de-tuned from the other.
When the 2 vertical paired reeds are played together,
a wavy tone (tremolo) is achieved, without any added
performer techniques.

9. Octave harps have 2 vertically-paired reeds, but the
reeds are tuned an octave apart (8 scale notes interval).
When the 2 vertical reeds are played together, the lower
octave reed reinforces the vibration of the higher octave
reed. This creates a louder volume and more resonance.

10. Both tremolo harps and octave harps use the same
note charts, if they have the same number of reed
chamber holes. But, the effect is different between
the 2 types.

11. Your #220 Trumpet Call harp has brass horns, and
was made in Trossingen, Germany, world headquarters
of Hohner. My re-issue #220 has plastic horns with gold
or brass plating, and was made in China. The original
#220 Trumpet Call harps are preferred by collectors.

12. Both original and re-issued #220 harps have the same
comb and reed plates. They will probably sound the same
when the same performer plays the same tune on each
harp, on the same day, at approximately the same time,
in the same room.

13. You asked if the silver-color boxed #220s sound the
same as the wheat-colored box #220s. Were you asking
about the storage boxes (silver or wheat), or the harmonica
resonator boxes (red, silver or wheat-colored)? The answer
is in paragraph #12, above.

14. The Hohner #220 harp is useful for playing brass band
music (marches, patriotic, fast-tempo, gospel, ethnic, etc.)
and may be used for any popular style music.

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

John Broecker
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #436 on: September 30, 2021, 12:18:39 AM »
Just this week decided to try to play stacked tremolo harps chromatically like they do in Asia. Tonight I uploaded 4 songs played this way.
Here are a couple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3WMHpSSmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgR6rKJZCL8
I'm not good at it yet, but can already see this as another option for the tremolo harp. The bottom harp is an A. The top is an A#. Suzuki Humming.

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #437 on: September 30, 2021, 04:22:56 AM »
Nice going, Rex, especially Beautiful Dreamer, a great tune. :)

I've still to get around to it with my Seydel Skydivers - I know, I know, I've had time to....but just haven't; (other than tunes that only had one sharp). ;)

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #438 on: September 30, 2021, 04:37:08 PM »
Just this week decided to try to play stacked tremolo harps chromatically like they do in Asia. Tonight I uploaded 4 songs played this way.
Here are a couple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3WMHpSSmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgR6rKJZCL8
I'm not good at it yet, but can already see this as another option for the tremolo harp. The bottom harp is an A. The top is an A#. Suzuki Humming.

Congrats, Rex!
I hope you will enjoy stacked tremolo harps more and more over time. I have enjoyed them since 2019.
Cheers,
Gene

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #439 on: September 30, 2021, 07:26:12 PM »
I ~played~ one about ten years ago, but now that I think about it, I haven't actually had a tremolo harmonica for sixty-seven years! How cool izzat?  ;D. Dunno, guess they just never appealed to me. :P

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #440 on: October 01, 2021, 04:19:49 AM »
Perhaps you'd get on OK with a Seydel Fanfare, it plays just like a regular solo tuned chrom - just no button.... ;)

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #441 on: October 01, 2021, 12:31:58 PM »
Nah, I'll just listen to you guys play, ;D and for as often as I ever need it, I just push a button or dial up the effect on an effect box, while retaining all the Chromatic attributes.

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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #442 on: October 01, 2021, 02:39:12 PM »

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Congrats, Rex!
I hope you will enjoy stacked tremolo harps more and more over time. I have enjoyed them since 2019.
Cheers,
Gene
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Hello Gene. Here's a video showing how I'm holding these harmonicas. I find this is scratching the chrome plating on the covers. Have you had this problem? Am I doing something wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw84BIh56l8

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« Reply #443 on: October 01, 2021, 03:28:56 PM »
Rex said: Hello Gene. Here's a video showing how I'm holding these harmonicas. I find this is scratching the chrome plating on the covers. Have you had this problem? Am I doing something wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw84BIh56l8

I appreciate what you have demonstrated in the video, Rex. Your stacking method is one of the two most common stacking methods. I use the other method: I use pushing and pulling both ends of the upper harp. This method gives me the advantage of having enough space for my lips to reach the lower notes as well. But I think it is your choice.

As for your question about the "scratching issue":  Yes, it does leave a bit of scratching. However, I found that those scratches were minimal because you use your upper harp only for accidentals that are found just once or twice in a tune. I have also found that those minimal scratches could be removed when I cleaned the scratches using toothpaste.

Cheers,
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Re: The Tremolo Fan Club Thread
« Reply #444 on: October 01, 2021, 07:27:45 PM »
Thank you for that information,  Gene. It may be vanity,  but I like my harmonicas to look nice. I'm going to see if I can buy a spare set of covers. One for every day use and one for chromatic playing. If Suzuki won't sell me covers then I will probably give up on chromatic tremolo. I  usually play folk music on tremolo. I have slide chromatics for more complex music.