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"Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« on: August 01, 2022, 07:45:40 PM »
It's funny how we can listen to old songs we've never even heard before and guess the next word based on what rhymes. Songs like that never stir up much emotion cuz they're so predictable, and never really "touch" us. Some numbers, however, are different.

Did a thread a week or two back about Great music and lousy/dumb lyrics. This is gunna be the other side of the coin: Great lyrics and "so-so /take it or leave it" music.

Hopeless romantic that I am, (I can't help myself. Have you seen my foxy wife? 8)) I appreciate a good love story as well as a love song. Problem is: there aren't enough love songs out there. Some, like "Copacabana (At the Copa)" are about average, but nothing to reach down and really pull your heart out and bring tears to your eyes, or just make you really think about life, people, children, whatever. I have a buncha favs, but as usual, I'll hold off to see what you've got. That the way it works. ;)
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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2022, 01:00:49 AM »
Just posted a link to this one on my FB page, Randy Newman song sung by Linda Ronstadt.

Pretty darned good, get those hankies out.

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2022, 09:13:11 AM »
In lyric composing, there is an
unstated custom.

Use the words ending in vowels
(a,e,i,o,u,y)for the end of a word
in a line of words or in a verse
ending; use consonant letters
(the other letters of the alphabet)
to end other words of the phrase.

Other choices are words with
vowel sounds to end a phrase
(moon, june, prune, spoon).

There are literally millions of songs
in European and American cultures
written since the late 900s AD that
include lyrics, but for convenience,
here are two popular songs with
(an opinion) great lyrics.

This is a subjective search, and
everybody will have an opinion.

In both songs, the lyrics are the
important message of the song,
but the melodies are also great:

Amazing Grace, music by English
minister John Newton, lyrics by
William Cowper, in 1774, at
Olney Parish, England, where
Newton was minister for 18 yrs.

Cowper was England's most popular
poet at the time.

Lady, words & music by Lionel
Richie
, (1980) sung by Kenny
Rogers
.

In this song (Lady), the words are
more important than the melody,
but the melody is great, too: very
fluid, up and down the scale, like a
conversation.

Both songs tell a story. So, in an
opinion, they have better lyrics than 

"A-womp-baba-loo-bomp, a-womp
bam-boom, tootie-frootie, aw, Rudy..."

Best Regards, Babalugatsi.

JB



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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2022, 09:17:36 AM »
Good music + good lyrics = good song

IMHO, we harmonicists only have to really worry (most of the time) about half of that equation.  Since my chromatic harmonica doesn't emit words when I play it, the music is what's more important.

Of course ... some of you may play while someone sings along, or maybe you alternate verses by playing/singing.  Whatever!
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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2022, 11:57:53 AM »
Yeah,
We all have the ability to "divorce ourselves" from the dumb or even offensive lyrics and just play the "beautiful music" part, like:
"Imagine," "Clair," "Hallelujah," "Rock-a-by Baby," "Little Brown Jug, "Alone Again, Naturally." These are all great tunes, but to me, the lyrics suck.

I've found that singing the words in my head, stirs emotion, and I believe that emotion comes out of my music, to the point that many numbers "come out of my eyes" as well. ~I~ personally believe that kind of emotion, brought on by meaningful lyrics, can (and does) affect my music. Even if I hafta look silly cuz I hafta wipe my eyes and blow my nose when I'm done, I know in my heart that I nailed it with the best job ~I~ could have done, and I'm pleased with myself. Of course YMMV, but To me that's what music is all about. :)

~I believe~ Music is as much soul and emotion as it is notes and timing. ~My~ phrasing for example, (such as it is ::)) is still a direct result of "feeling, soul, personal passion, and emotion," which lyrics can either enhance for me, or stifle. Without those ingredients, "music" ceases to be, and conveys all the musical nuances of the background of PackMan or Donkey Kong. At least that's how I see it. ;D
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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2022, 12:23:23 PM »
<snip>
Hopeless romantic that I am, (I can't help myself. Have you seen my foxy wife? 8)) I appreciate a good love story as well as a love song. Problem is: there aren't enough love songs out there. Some, like "Copacabana (At the Copa)" are about average, but nothing to reach down and really pull your heart out and bring tears to your eyes, or just make you really think about life, people, children, whatever. I have a buncha favs, but as usual, I'll hold off to see what you've got.

Here's justa few:
(this should give you an idea of where I'm going with this ;))

"Taxi" Harry Chapin
"Same old Lang Syne" Dan Fogleberg
"Looks like we made it" Barry Manalow
"I can't Make You Love Me" Bonnie Rait

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2022, 12:55:50 PM »
Talking about rhyme . . .
The song America by Paul Simon does not rhyme.
There goes nonrhymin' Simon . . .

Quote

"Let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together
I've got some real estate here in my bag"
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies
And walked off to look for America

"Kathy", I said as we boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh
"Michigan seems like a dream to me now"
It took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw
I've gone to look for America

Laughing on the bus
Playing games with the faces
She said the man in the gabardine suit was a spy
I said "Be careful, his bowtie is really a camera"

"Toss me a cigarette, I think there's one in my raincoat"
"We smoked the last one an hour ago"
So I looked at the scenery, she read her magazine
And the moon rose over an open field

"Kathy, I'm lost", I said, though I knew she was sleeping
I'm empty and aching and I don't know why
Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike
They've all come to look for America
All come to look for America
All come to look for America

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2022, 04:10:43 PM »
Yeah, looks like. "Blank verse". I always considered that a poor excuse for poetry. Fifty years ago, I even wrote a "poem" in blank verse, just to show how dumb I thought it was. :) (Haven't changed my opinion yet either :))

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2022, 04:37:29 PM »
It's important to me that both the lyrics I set to music, and the musical settings I write, match in message and musical interest. I've written solo flute music to the rhythms and phrasing of poems by Henry David Thoreau, where the words don't have a particular immediacy. For the poems or lyrics I set to music, they have to speak to me or I pass them by.

A prime example of this is the poetry of the American poet Sara Teasdale (1884–1933), prolific in her output. I've set over a dozen of her poems, mostly for SATB (soprano, alto, tenor, bass) a cappella. But most, while lovely or poignant, don't inspire a melody or have the listener appeal I'm looking for.

Audience also makes a difference. My Guilford Chamber Singers have performed several of my Teasdale settings, but would not be inspirational or spiritual enough for my All Souls Choir. And because of its limited personnel (soprano, alto, baritone), I've been writing music for them which includes piano.

Because I look for lyrics before I try to compose a tune, I'm not setting just ordinary drivel. Besides Teasdale and Thoreau, I've set William Blake, Dylan Thomas, Heinrich Heine, Amelia Earhart, and others whose names are not as familiar. Most of the music I write is pretty traditional melodically and harmonically, so it should have broader appeal.

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2022, 04:54:39 PM »
Yeah, looks like. "Blank verse". I always considered that a poor excuse for poetry. Fifty years ago, I even wrote a "poem" in blank verse, just to show how dumb I thought it was. :) (Haven't changed my opinion yet either :))
Some unrhymed poetry still has a regular pattern of beats, in particular the short-long "foot" called an iamb. The most common, as in blank verse, has five feet, thus iambic pentameter.

Conversely, some rhymed poetry has irregular beat patterns. Any of them, including prose poems, can be set to music successfully. It's really up the the skill of the composer.

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2022, 06:04:52 PM »
iambic pentameter

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2022, 07:57:06 PM »
You guys are taking me back. In high school, our Senior English class had a grading period studying poetry. (The teacher was my all-time favorite. She was great!). She told us in the beginning that our grade for the period would be an original poem we’d write…any style we chose.
Leave it to me to procrastinate!  On the school bus ride to school one day, a classmate asked if I’d finished my poem due that day. [Oh my goodness!]!  I hadn’t even started it!
The bus ride was about 40 minutes, so I started working. I decided that due to limited time, a short poem would work best. I decided to go the limerick route.
By the time class began, I had it written. Turned it in and kept my fingers crossed. Here’s my poem:

“There once was a farmer named Sam
Whose hogs produced lots of ham.
His crop came in short
So he had to resort
To feeding his family Spam.”

She gave me an A+ and put my poem in the literary magazine😱😱😱
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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2022, 08:08:31 PM »
Reminds me of one I dumb one wrote over fifty years ago:

There once was a guy named Cy
Whose ears ere so big he could fly
While landing at an Air Force base,
A gooney bird wrapped 'round his face,
And he flew into a fusebox and fried.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2022, 09:04:32 PM »
iambic pentameter

Evangeline!
Longfellow's poem? It ain't. More prose poem, and book-length at that.

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2022, 09:36:30 PM »
Yeah, read it (not really) in Jr High school. Paid attention to the discussion in class and got a C on the final test. Never read the book. (I always hated reading) All I remember for sure is that it was in "Iambic pentameter." ;D

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2022, 09:59:57 PM »
We didn't study poetry in school,
until college.

But, I read Walt Whitman, Robert Burns,
William Shakespeare, Robert Browning,
Goethe (in English), and my favorite lyrics:

Trail-ors for sale or rent,
Rooms to let fif-ty cents
No phone, no food, no pence,
I ain't got no ci-ga-rettes, ah, but

Two hours of push-ing broom buys a
Eight-by-twelve, four-bit room. I'm a
Man of means by no means . .
King of the road.


When reading poetry, I couldn't name
the poetic forms. As a drummer, I was
attracted to the rhythms, then the rhyme.

Best Regards, Best Cigars

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2022, 11:07:12 PM »
"Do you Love Me?" from Fiddler. Great words. Romantic. So-so melody

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2022, 03:49:15 AM »
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no pence

That, of course, should read 'no pets'...  ;) ;D

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2022, 03:24:47 PM »
Never noticed that. I was too busy singing along and waiting for "Third boxcar" and then, "I smoke old stogies" and "I know every engineer" verses. :)

I knew a few myself; not "hobos" though. My Father-in-law was a genuine hobo, not a bum.  These were just regular drunks that more or less "lived" in a spur, on the way into Minneapolis Mining loading dock) they would look up at me and hold up two fingers to their face like a "Gotta cigarette?" sign. These guys would actually eat stuff like Sterno and stuff to stay high. I useta toss them a couple Camels and tell them not to light up till we were in the clear. (didn't want any exploding drunks to damage my train. ;D ;D)
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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2022, 07:54:23 PM »
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no pence

That, of course, should read 'no pets'...  ;) ;D

Thanks, Keith! I knew 'pence' wasn't it, but couldn't quite remember the actual word which rhymed (given how many pets I've always
had one would think I would and should! lol) so was just about to look up Roger's lyrics to check.
Thanks for saving me the time. :)

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2022, 04:50:37 PM »
Olivia Newton John just died a week ago. Her song: "I honestly Love You."  Heart wrenching lyrics but with a melody that I found too slow for my taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgz0BYkSmc8

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2022, 06:03:16 PM »
Yeah.  She actually died just today, I think.  I was SO in love with her many years ago when she first started out :P

Maybe this one (which I think is beautiful) is fast enough?  (I also loved to sing along with her "Let Me Be There"! 

RIP, Dame Olivia.

https://youtu.be/jhOn4oPn3Bw
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2022, 07:37:34 PM »
Yeah, looks like it WAS today. Seventy-three?? Waaay too young :'(
I liked her best in Xanadu!

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2022, 12:13:00 AM »
Olivia Newton John just died a week ago. Her song: "I honestly Love You."  Heart wrenching lyrics but with a melody that I found too slow for my taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgz0BYkSmc8
She died today, Age. :( I wondered why I'd had no idea of her passing so just searched, and not only found the notices, but right then
(now) the news station I was watching carried the news as well as a tribute to her for her 30years of work for Breast Cancer research support (she was a 3 time diagnosis fighter/survivor--until now) and began her own Foundation. It's almost unfathomable to me that someone could have to endure Cancer for 30years - and yet still lose her life to this horrible disease. Heartbroken for her family and loved ones.  :'(  Despite some considering her music too 'white bread' (an actual term unrelated to race, for those unaware), I always thought of her as a class act. Some of her songs were very appealing to me, including 'I Honestly Love You'.

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PS: the 'it's Cliff Richard' on the video alludes to the singularly most popular male singer in Britain. He was a huge star even before
the Beatles and while I still lived in Scotland.

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2022, 12:16:21 AM »
Oops, already mentioned by Brorat. I was looking up the info about her foundation - so spent some time there. Still a loss -
our local channel showed an appearance she made on the Today show in 2019 (3 years ago, so she would have been 70?)
She looked gorgeous, even though clearly still ill, and although it was a short clip, it showed her determination to 'live her
life'. RIP Olivia.

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2022, 03:02:43 AM »
I stumbled upon this tribute to her (and a reprise of a previous interview) by an Australian TV guy I don't know, but some here might.
His reaction is all too real at the end, but well worth watching for her duet with her daughter Chloe: Olivia looked amazing even last
year, and her home was absolutely gorgeous. Her mention of Barry Gibb's album 'Greenfields' makes me need to find it, pronto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0TYldQjBjE

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2022, 03:05:00 PM »
Wow! That guy reminds me of myself. (except for all that hair, of course) I tend to get very emotional when someone close to me dies. :'(
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2022, 06:27:35 PM »
Wow! That guy reminds me of myself. (except for all that hair, of course) I tend to get very emotional when someone close to me dies. :'(


I know. I lost it - along with him. It must have been awful for him, losing his composure on the Air, but goes to show just how human, caring and emotional about
her he was. Respect for them not cutting away and allowing him to show his feelings.

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Re: "Moon, June, Croon, spoon"
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2022, 06:52:56 PM »
These two don't quite fit the category of 'songs' since there are no lyrics, but I'm obsessed with both lately. Heard them both on my 'Impressions' station (on Dish),
which I have playing at night--soothes both me and the dog. ;)

Euge Groove: Last Call

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3xmJRkHBfQ

It's SO deeply romantic (at least for me) and has me swooning...reminds me of songs from the 60's and 70's. Same kind of beat - and feeling.

And this one. An artist I'd never heard of (also a sax player) Sha Shaty: A Million Miles:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJaNRiPDxvM

This one just gets me. Naturally I play along with both on my chromatic (and keyboards when I can). Both are the kind of music I create
as well.

Hope you like. If they don't fit here, feel free to move.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2022, 11:55:02 PM »
Just played along with both of them.  That "Last Call" in B flat number kinda reminded me of an old fav melody (not the lyrics ;D) of mine: Starry Starry Night." The other one ( I think it was in C) was kinda cool too. 8)