[Help] Phillip achilles rendition of genevieve.

[danielpalfrey]

I have recently started tabbing this song out, and would like to post the tabs as I figure them out, also would like coments and if anyone thinks I have made a mistake, I would love to be told so I can rectify the problem if indeed it is wrong.

so far I have:

Legend
*block with tounge
< slide in
-draw
/slide up to the note
underlined triplets

234   234<    123<     4    4<    (4   4<
-234    -234<    -123<    /-6<    
2*45    2*45<     123     /7<
7<       67<     -56<         56<       67<      -56     56<  
-45<    456<    -45<    234<    -45<
2***6<   1***5<   3***7<     -2***6<    -1***5<    -3***7<     3***7<    2***6<    -4***8<    -3***7<   9<     -9<
10<    6<     7<     -6<     -5<     5<
2<    3       -3     5        5   -3<    -3      5     6
-5    5     -3   5    -3<     -3      /-4<    -3<    3<      -4<    /-5<     5<     -4<     -5<  
7      6<   5<   -4<    -4   -4<   -5<     5<      -3<    3<    3       3<   -3   -4<  -3<   -2<
2***6<   1***5<   3***7<     -2***6<    -1***5<    -3***7<     3***7<    2***6<    -4***8<    -3***7<   9<     -9<
10<    6<     7<     -6<     -5<     5<
6<    7       -7     9        9   -7<    -7      9     10
-9    9     -7   9    -7<     -7     /-4<    -3<    3<      -4<    /-5<     5<     -4<      -5<
7      6<   5<   -4<    -4   -4<   -5<     5<      -3<    3<    3       3<   -3   -4<  -3<   -2<
67    67<    56<    78<
-67    -67<    -45<    -67<
67    67<    56    56<    78   78<
-67    -67<    -45     -45<   -67   -67<   /6<
7<       67<     -56<         56<       67<      -56M<     56<  
-45<    456<    -45<    234<    -45<
2***6<   1***5<   3***7<     -2***6<    -1***5<    -3***7<     3***7<    2***6<    -4***8<    -3***7<   9<     -9<    10<
6<     7<     -6<     -5<     5<     /8<
3<    -3<     3<      -2<    -1<    
1<     234<     234<     -1<     -234<     -234<     1<    234<     234<     -1<     -234<     -234<    234<    
7      7<      8      8<
4      -5     7    -5     4    -5     4    -3    3
4      -5     6     8     3
4      -5     7    -5     4    -5     4    -3    3
4      -5     6     8     4
8     -8    -7     7     -6     6     6<    7     -7     4
4<    -5<     6<     3<    -5<    4<    4
4<    -4     7<      7      6<      6    6<    7    6   -4     -3   6<     -3    4
9      -9        10   -9     9    -9     7     8    10    -12    8
9      -9        10   -9     9    -9    7      8    10    -12    8



Thats it so far, any advice here would be greatly appreciated
I have added some to these I have varified a small section of it, that last line though, is one I have not yet varified, maybe someone could check it and give sme input, I personally recon it is wrong, but as far as chords go, I am crap lol

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

I would really appreciate any help that anyone can give. The next bit I believe is from the main "body" of the song, toards the end:) just having a listen and figuring it out:) If it is the bit I think it is, I should know the next section.

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

Is it only me that is interested in this rendition???

hehe, I have funny taste I know, But I thought this song was really amazing and something people would have liked.

Dan

[Grizzly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzY_KZTSXJk
I have recently started tabbing this song out, and would like to post the tabs as I figure them out, also would like coments and if anyone thinks I have made a mistake, I would love to be told so I can rectify the problem if indeed it is wrong.

so far I have:

Legend
< slide in
-draw
/slide to the note

234   234<    123<     4    4<    (4   4<   is played qickley, 4 then instantly press the button in)
-234    -234<    -123<    /-6<   
345     345<    234<    /7<   
7    7<     6    6<     7    7<    /8<


Thats it so far, any advice here would be gretly appreciated

Dan

I'm not much for tablature, but near as I can tell, you've got it mostly right. However, the third line I think should be more like the first line; the 5 hole is unison to the 4 hole, and I think I'm hearing that hole 2 in the mix.

Your fourth line should be harmony, hole 6 with 7, hole 5 with 6.

The Genevieve melody is just the first 48 bars before Achille goes into lots of other stuff before coming back to the main theme.

BTW, Achille plays this in Db (C#), the melody with the button in.

If you plan on tabbing out the whole 6 minutes, you've got quite a project ahead of you!

Tom

[danielpalfrey]

I remember you giving me the sheets in the past:) thanks again.
I do plan on tabbing the hole lot out. When I get a little quiet, I will check out your suggestion.

Dan

[jonkip]

Is it only me that is interested in this rendition???

no, it's good music, but the seeming lack of interest is probably just that tabbing it is a daunting and somewhat unrewarding venture except for the one doing the tabbing.

The plus of doing that is that in the time one would take to tab it out one would have memorized the music and could play it at least slowly

However, the same applies for those transcribing the music into written music as well. The plus of learning to write the music down in notes rather than tabs is that others could easily discern from your work how the music should sound. This is not possible with tabs alone.

Very little is possible with tabs alone unless you already know the music.

I think that's why there's no gigantic interest in aiding your tabbing adventure.

[danielpalfrey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzY_KZTSXJk
I have recently started tabbing this song out, and would like to post the tabs as I figure them out, also would like coments and if anyone thinks I have made a mistake, I would love to be told so I can rectify the problem if indeed it is wrong.

so far I have:

Legend
< slide in
-draw
/slide to the note

234   234<    123<     4    4<    (4   4<   is played qickley, 4 then instantly press the button in)
-234    -234<    -123<    /-6<   
345     345<    234<    /7<   
7    7<     6    6<     7    7<    /8<


Thats it so far, any advice here would be gretly appreciated

Dan

I'm not much for tablature, but near as I can tell, you've got it mostly right. However, the third line I think should be more like the first line; the 5 hole is unison to the 4 hole, and I think I'm hearing that hole 2 in the mix.

Your fourth line should be harmony, hole 6 with 7, hole 5 with 6.

The Genevieve melody is just the first 48 bars before Achille goes into lots of other stuff before coming back to the main theme.

BTW, Achille plays this in Db (C#), the melody with the button in.

If you plan on tabbing out the whole 6 minutes, you've got quite a project ahead of you!

Tom

they look and sound like possibilities, I just need someone with a better ear to confirm it.

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

Is it only me that is interested in this rendition???

no, it's good music, but the seeming lack of interest is probably just that tabbing it is a daunting and somewhat unrewarding venture except for the one doing the tabbing.

The plus of doing that is that in the time one would take to tab it out one would have memorized the music and could play it at least slowly

However, the same applies for those transcribing the music into written music as well. The plus of learning to write the music down in notes rather than tabs is that others could easily discern from your work how the music should sound. This is not possible with tabs alone.

Very little is possible with tabs alone unless you already know the music.

I think that's why there's no gigantic interest in aiding your tabbing adventure.

I know this song. I been listening to it none stop for a while, Just looking for input on what I have already tabbed, Like Tom has just done. Because my ears arent the best, So what I am trying is to tab out the one song I will always whant to play and get some confirmation that I am right so I can atleast train my ears a little.

Dan

[jonkip]

I know this song. I been listening to it none stop for a while, Just looking for input on what I have already tabbed, Like Tom has just done. Because my ears arent the best, So what I am trying is to tab out the one song I will always whant to play and get some confirmation that I am right so I can atleast train my ears a little.

good point...

[pmelissakis]

Hi Dan,

This isn't the same as the performance by Phillip
but FYI The music by Adler is available here.

http://www.donbrockway.com/Music%20By%20Larry%20Adler.htm

Just click on each of the 3 sheets.

Also, the latest Seydel newsletter has free software
for creating tabs.

Pete

[danielpalfrey]

Hi Dan,

This isn't the same as the performance by Phillip
but FYI The music by Adler is available here.

http://www.donbrockway.com/Music%20By%20Larry%20Adler.htm

Just click on each of the 3 sheets.

Also, the latest Seydel newsletter has free software
for creating tabs.

Pete

Thanks for the link.

Just a question though, if anyone has used the software mentioned, What makes it worth while other using a word editor or pen and paper?

Dan

[pmelissakis]

Thanks for the link.

Just a question though, if anyone has used the software mentioned, What makes it worth while other using a word editor or pen and paper?

Dan

Don't know,

Just downloaded the software this evening.
Haven't even installed it yet.

The site claims you can enter music using a mic
and it will output the tabs.

Pete

[danielpalfrey]

Thanks for the link.

Just a question though, if anyone has used the software mentioned, What makes it worth while other using a word editor or pen and paper?

Dan

Don't know,

Just downloaded the software this evening.
Haven't even installed it yet.

The site claims you can enter music using a mic
and it will output the tabs.

Pete

Which will only work if you can play the song or if you have a mic of decent quality.

It always looks good on paper.

Anyways, I will give it a test tomorow at some point.

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

while learning by ear, I have figured out that if i put some really loud headphones in, so i can't here anything but that music and the slight sound of my own harp, it is easy to identify wrong and right notes. Because when I play a wrong note, I can hear it, When i play a right note, I cant hear the harp at all, this is a method I have never tried before, but I thought it couldnt hurt to try, and what do you know, i wasnt far off.

Dan

[henrymouni]

Tabbing takes a long time, if you play along to music.
Many hours for each piece.
Tabbing is for people who cannot read music and NOT a substitute for it.
That's why I use words, punctuation and music, to help people to play
and get the bug.
Their next step is to learn to read music - but only if they wish to do so.
Many go on to play by ear, but sheet music is a must in my opinion.
We get a lot of people using the tab section, so there must be a need for it, don't you think?
I've just taken a quick  look at the' Chromatic Tab' section, at a few of the most popular, and show you the 'hits'.

Alfie - 502
Speak Softly Love- 529
It Might as Well Rain Until September- 611
Le Grisbi -1,467
Moon River- 647
Desperado -585
Wichita Lineman -1,707
Genevieve in 'C' - 852
Begin The Beguine 504
Isn't She Lovely - 522
Donna Lee - 577
Ghost Riders 665
Moonlight in Vermont - 573
Tennessee Waltz - 479
Girl from Ipanema - 608

etc. etc.


Dan -I know you love Genevieve as do I.
As Tom says Philip starts off in 'Db', but maybe he may switch keys also?
I would need to listen more - maybe a bit of 'C'?
As soon as I can I will tab the 'Main Bit' in 'Db' for you.
I am just messing with the Christmas tabs just now.
You carry on with your labour of love!


Henry.

Is it only me that is interested in this rendition???

no, it's good music, but the seeming lack of interest is probably just that tabbing it is a daunting and somewhat unrewarding venture except for the one doing the tabbing.

The plus of doing that is that in the time one would take to tab it out one would have memorized the music and could play it at least slowly

However, the same applies for those transcribing the music into written music as well. The plus of learning to write the music down in notes rather than tabs is that others could easily discern from your work how the music should sound. This is not possible with tabs alone.

Very little is possible with tabs alone unless you already know the music.

I think that's why there's no gigantic interest in aiding your tabbing adventure.

[danielpalfrey]

I don't feel that sheet music or tabs are a must. I mean, I can read sheet music fairley well, But I find it much better to play from tebs, In most cases I will right the tabs above the notes on the sheet music. But again, tabs are not essential. If you can play the song and play it well, Then you are using a method that works for you. And at the end of the day, if you can play it and make it sound good, and be happy with the result, then thats what it's all about

Just my opinion tho:P

Dan

[thebaron]

I wonder if anyone else uses my method. I can only play from music on a keyboard, which I keep for the purpose, because I can see the notes. Once I have played it a few times I can remember the tune well enough to play be ear, which I do on the Harmonica. Practice it a few times and I have it forever.

[danielpalfrey]

any chance we can get back onto topic?
Just need confirmation on the tab, Weather Tom was right with his thoughts or not. They both sound plausable to me, Just waiting for confirmation off someone with better ears.

Dan

[Grizzly]

any chance we can get back onto topic?
Just need confirmation on the tab, Weather Tom was right with his thoughts or not. They both sound plausable to me, Just waiting for confirmation off someone with better ears.

Dan

It's okay to check; but I have really good ears. And the music degrees to back them up.

Tom

[danielpalfrey]

any chance we can get back onto topic?
Just need confirmation on the tab, Weather Tom was right with his thoughts or not. They both sound plausable to me, Just waiting for confirmation off someone with better ears.

Dan

It's okay to check; but I have really good ears. And the music degrees to back them up.

Tom

haha, well why didn't you say so??

Oficcially changing it now then;)

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

well, It definetly sounds right
So I will stick with your suggestion.

Thanks tom.

Will keep on updating this post as I get each section figured out and will ask for advice where I feel it may be needed. Any other advice is greatly appreciated.

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

i am having a little trouble Identifying the next two notes (which happen to be the same) but it doesnt seem to "match" any of my notes like the others did:( but the soome of the reeds in my harps are a little crappy sounding, so it is my look one of those reeds is the note I need. It sound to me that the best match i could get was whole 5< but this did sound wrong. So I am thinking maybe it is -5 which I know is a trouble reed on my harp. Any import would be great, though not essential as I do have another harp somewhere

Dan

I think I have it now. The next section, where he begins what I learnt as 2    1    3    -2     -1     -3    and so on, seems to be played with the button held in. again, I am not sure if this is due to the crappy tone of my harp, but I am almost certain he is playing with the button in!

Dan

[Grizzly]

Without actually shoving a harp in my maw, I think you've got it: 2 1 3 etc. would be slide in for Db/C#. Have fun when he starts playing harmony and puts all those twiddles in!

This could be a massive project, Dan; I'm a little reluctant to see you through all six minutes. I'm wondering if Phillip would be willing to share his playing score with you. It would certainly speed the process up.

But ask away, see if Henry is game, and good luck!

Tom

[henrymouni]

Without actually shoving a harp in my maw, I think you've got it: 2 1 3 etc. would be slide in for Db/C#. Have fun when he starts playing harmony and puts all those twiddles in!

This could be a massive project, Dan; I'm a little reluctant to see you through all six minutes. I'm wondering if Phillip would be willing to share his playing score with you. It would certainly speed the process up.

But ask away, see if Henry is game, and good luck!

Tom

Hi Tom,
 I e-mailed Philip some days ago - no reply yet.
Philip's teacher is Jim Hughes.
Jim lives in the Midlands not far from Dan.
He gives lessons on the Chromatic.
He would probably have helped Philip with the arrangement?
Jim lives in Soilhull.
Tel: 0121 744 6155.
I may have given you this info' before Dan, when you were looking for a teacher?
If not you then someone else who lives near you.
I have re-tabbed in 'Db' as promised. See 'Chromatic Tabs'.
I have learnt so much about music, reading, interpreting, sussing out keys etc. while tabbing!
It will be a good learning curve for Dan to do this himself.
With a little help from his friends!

http://www.myspace.com/jameshughesharmonica


Henry.

[danielpalfrey]

Without actually shoving a harp in my maw, I think you've got it: 2 1 3 etc. would be slide in for Db/C#. Have fun when he starts playing harmony and puts all those twiddles in!

This could be a massive project, Dan; I'm a little reluctant to see you through all six minutes. I'm wondering if Phillip would be willing to share his playing score with you. It would certainly speed the process up.

But ask away, see if Henry is game, and good luck!

Tom

I have already approached philip and asked if he could share his work. But he never got back in touch with me.

Dan

[danielpalfrey]

Without actually shoving a harp in my maw, I think you've got it: 2 1 3 etc. would be slide in for Db/C#. Have fun when he starts playing harmony and puts all those twiddles in!

This could be a massive project, Dan; I'm a little reluctant to see you through all six minutes. I'm wondering if Phillip would be willing to share his playing score with you. It would certainly speed the process up.

But ask away, see if Henry is game, and good luck!

Tom

Hi Tom,
 I e-mailed Philip some days ago - no reply yet.
Philip's teacher is Jim Hughes.
Jim lives in the Midlands not far from Dan.
He gives lessons on the Chromatic.
He would probably have helped Philip with the arrangement?
Jim lives in Soilhull.
Tel: 0121 744 6155.
I may have given you this info' before Dan, when you were looking for a teacher?
If not you then someone else who lives near you.
I have re-tabbed in 'Db' as promised. See 'Chromatic Tabs'.
I have learnt so much about music, reading, interpreting, sussing out keys etc. while tabbing!
It will be a good learning curve for Dan to do this himself.
With a little help from his friends!

http://www.myspace.com/jameshughesharmonica


Henry.

Thanks for the info henr. It will be usefull.

[danielpalfrey]

42 seconds into the song, He plays some really crazy chords, even when I slow the song down there hard to make out. for sure he ends on a breath out, and I am sure hstarts on one to. It sounds to me like it's out in out in out but I cant make out the actual notes that he plays. maybe when I get a decent quality harp with fully functional reeds in them, this task might become easier.

I'm not sure, but i think the last cord might be 234< and the first one sounds somewhere in the region of 345< but I am not sure, I simply cant identify it while my harps are sounding so crappy. That being said, it doesnt help that my ears aren't really all that good at the moment.

If I had to guess then I would probably say he runs down that it would be something like: 345<   -345<   345<   -234<    234<

Maybe something like that. But I will have to wait and check since My ear and my harps arent to clever.

I also hear a "mechanical sound" so I would guess that maybe he release the button and presses it again.

Dan

[Grizzly]

:41— 

<a8— <7 | <76 <-65 <65 | <76 <-65 <65 | <-54 <654 <-54 <432 <-54 |

<6*2 <5*1 <8*3 | <-6*2 <-5*1 <-7*3 | <7*3 <6*2 <-8*4 | <-7*3 <9 <-9 |

<10— <6 | <7 <-6 <-5 | <5—— | —:49

a = arpeggio
| = bar lines
Underline = triplets
* = octave corners
- = inhale
— = hold twice as long
—— = thrice as long
It's all slide in up between :41 and :49.

This will all make more sense as you listen to the recording.

After this, it's single notes for awhile. Have a go at it on our own.

Henry, want to check my accuracy?

Tom

[danielpalfrey]

:41— 

<a8— <7 | <76 <-65 <65 | <76 <-65 <65 | <-54 <654 <-54 <432 <-54 |

<6*2 <5*1 <8*3 | <-6*2 <-5*1 <-7*3 | <7*3 <6*2 <-8*4 | <-7*3 <9 <-9 |

<10— <6 | <7 <-6 <-5 | <5—— | —:49

a = arpeggio
| = bar lines
Underline = triplets
* = octave corners
- = inhale
— = hold twice as long
—— = thrice as long
It's all slide in up between :41 and :49.

This will all make more sense as you listen to the recording.

After this, it's single notes for awhile. Have a go at it on our own.

Henry, want to check my accuracy?

Tom

Hey Tom, Thanks for the help here, Will add it to the tabb then check it out, om glad to see I got at least some of it right:P

could you maybe explain what an arpegio is though? I always thought it was a term used when you lay a chord, but you press the keys in a raising pattern (so to speak) but thats what I always though with the keyboard:S


Dan

[danielpalfrey]

I see what is going on, The git has decided to play in octaves. This is something I am not looking forward to learning

Oh well.

Dan