Author Topic: Pellet and BB guns (Read 7587 times)

smojoe · « **Reply #30 on:** November 27, 2020, 03:53:15 PM »

Most gallery rifles were designed for cbs and short 'gallery' loads. Bbs 'could' have a tendency to not make it out of the barrel. But that wasn't a problem at the time, as a second shot on top of it wouldn't blow up the rifle. Cbs had about 30 lf energy, galleries had about 44. Bb caps (at a mere 20 lbs) were intended for pistols. And you can HAND load them in an auto loader..can't use the mag. In a revolver you could also use Colibri or super colibri. They are designed for indoors and only have 6 and 11 lbs energy respectively.

Also, those gallery rifles were well 'worn in' and not as tight as a brand new rifle. And they usually had short barrels. Just legal at 16". I had a friend with an old western stocked octogonal barrelled that specifically stated: 'Do NOT use BB & CB ctgs'. Why? The barrel was 24" long. And a long rifle on top of a cb misfire could be disastrous.

So I was looking at that Hatsan. I'm jealous. But it IS a bit above plinking status. Looks like a serious varminter/pester at 22.25 lb muzzle energy. I was thinking more like 100 bucks. lolol

Danny G · « **Reply #31 on:** November 27, 2020, 04:34:37 PM »

I don't think there's a pellet or BB gun being shot anywhere out here today. Every hunter in the area must have today off, it sounds like a war zone out there. The weeklong statewide deer gun season starts Nov. 30th and these guys are target practicing big time. (I'd bet that at least a few of those targets end up next to mashed taters)

SlideMeister · « **Reply #32 on:** November 27, 2020, 04:42:14 PM »

Yeah I shot the thing once from an upstairs window at one of those round aluminum "suicide" snow coasters. I hit in at an angle, and it still went right through the thing. It definitely cocks easier with two hands.

What do you think of that little Heritage .22 "Rough Rider?" Looks like a fun little "plinker."

. I have a (sorta non-working) Vintage Crosman 38T .177 like the one below, in a neat black leather holster somewhere,??

that can't seem to find, it, but I think one of those Rough Riders would look better in that black holster, and I wanna drop a hint to the kids about it for Christmas.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #33 on:** November 27, 2020, 04:47:13 PM »

Quote from: Danny G on November 27, 2020, 04:34:37 PM

I don't think there's a pellet or BB gun being shot anywhere out here today. Every hunter in the area must have today off, it sounds like a war zone out there. The weeklong statewide deer gun season starts Nov. 30th and these guys are target practicing big time. (I'd bet that at least a few of those targets end up next to mashed taters)

Yeah, that's right. "Day after Thanksgiving" all the hillbillies go hunting. (at least all the ones I know

) When I lived in Mantua, (about 35 miles north of you) they closed the school on that day, cuz even the teachers all called in sick. (city folks do all their "day after Thanksgiving" hunting in the stores and country folks do theirs in the woods)

smojoe · « **Reply #34 on:** November 27, 2020, 06:06:19 PM »

I once said that I only have 3 guns. I 'should' have said: real guns. I DO have a bunch of junk around here. I consider them all as 'paper weights' inasmuch as I would hesitate to depend on them.
One is similar to that Heritage..but not as nice. 4 3/4" barrel Herbert Schmidt. Two possible cyllinders, I only have the LR one. The frame is some sort of composite of zinc alloy. Would probably melt in a healthy fire. It does shoot well and I put it together from parts. But in a pinch, I don't trust it.

We had this situation where we would have to confisgate guns from various characters and after the trials the things would be ordered destroyed. Well the good stuff always got scoffed up by the judges, DAs, and other hacks while the junkier stuff went to the metals bin.

What would happen is that the Sgt. and a trooper would witnerss a maintenance man cutting the guns up with an acetelyne torch. And fill out the paper work. Serial numbers and such. Ok, so not ALL the parts would be destroyed and I would dive in the bin and collect the little parts. When I had about a pound or so, I would label them, send them off to a dealer in N.Y., and they would, in turn, send me a check.

So over the years I always had a lot of junk to play with and as I was hanging around with a gun smith, I learned a lot. Most everything I make is miniature. I have never understood hunting. Instead of saving money hunting my own food, I preferred to cut cord wood, and use the money to buy store bought meats. Nothing like a good pork roast. After watching all the nature programs and seeing all the baby animals, I can't bear to hurt them. UnLESS they are varmints. Then all bets are off.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #35 on:** November 27, 2020, 06:46:40 PM »

Yeah, I know what ya mean. I have like seven air guns. They all look pretty cool but three of them are just that: "for looks" and haven't even had air in them for years and only one of the other four could seriously hurt a small critter.

Speakin' of hunting, now that you mentioned it, I haven't been rabbit hunting for almost twenty-five years, which is when I got a few pet rabbits. The first two were hit by cars so the last one got her own condo and lived to be nine years old before she finally kicked. (and I still haven't gone hunting again) Oh well!

smojoe · « **Reply #36 on:** November 27, 2020, 09:52:27 PM »

Oh I don't have anything against hunting. It's just not my bag. I don't like to get cold. And if I'm wet, it has to be warm.

Had a brother in law who first got a rifle for abt. 500, then a scope for 300, then all the cold weather clothing, then a jeep, then built a cabin in Tionesta. Then more rifles, then a boat to go fishing, then a better outboard, and then, and then: 'Along came Jones'. lol. So, in reality he was living in a world that I couldn't afford at the time anyway. Meanwhile my sister had to shop at the cut rate stores. You know, the ones with all the dented cans, and packages with mending tape on them, and Kmart clothes and shoes, and the kids had rags hanging off of them. Me? I was never that self centered. I was more inclined to be selfless.

I like to watch the RV show. But everyone seems to be a motor head. You know the kind. Have to have a car with the big block 454 engine, the 44 mag., the biggest and best. I always thought a 22 ft. mini mtr home would be enough. All I see them showing people are 44 ft. busses, 42 ft. 5th wheels. BIG stuff.

Now that I can afford that stuff I'm no longer in any mood to drive it around. Mama made a 'Jenny-o' half turkey breast, some candied sweet potatoes, other simple fare for Thanksgiving. Just two old sad sacks having a sad quiet dinner.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #37 on:** November 28, 2020, 04:33:02 PM »

Just found my Crossman 1790 (that actually shoots pretty straight. Believe it or not, I've shot more than a few bees of clover flowers on my lawn with that. We had two wild rabbits that usta hang around in our yard. One, you could approach and sometimes even touch; but the other was spooky, and would run, spooking the nice one. One day I decided to "mark" the crancky one, that I nick-named "ButHead," while he was eating some dandy-loins. I took that 1790 (at about 12 yards) and put a pellet through both his ears. He just shook his head and kept eating. The first ear had a clean hole through it (that stayed that way) and the hole in the second ear actually healed up in a couple weeks. If I ever find the cool picture I took (of the daylight holes in his ears) I'll post it here. Now I still hafta find that 38-T black revolver one.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #38 on:** November 28, 2020, 05:24:33 PM »

I live in the country, hunting season is open, are this little bugger is perfectly safe, hanging out in his favorite spot near my LP (profane) tank.

smojoe · « **Reply #39 on:** November 28, 2020, 05:59:23 PM »

We have a modest home. For this area. In 97 when we moved here the price range was 65-100k. Ours was built new. 100k. If you google earth our address (4574 aladdin av., north port, fl.) you can see what it looks like. We are NOT in a gated community, NOR deed restricted. Blue collar neighborhood. All nationalities. No discharge of firearms allowed.
There is a small lake a block away, 2 vacant lots to our east, 2 wooded blocks to our west. We are on a corner. There is a lot of swamp around us and several country clubs. The area is virtually CRAWLING with critters. They come to eat at my side garage door. Some of the birds are as tall as me.
The only people who have been here are: the late Herb Eck (former spah vp), Bill Dullin (pres. of the St. Louis club), and Scotty's husband Fred.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #40 on:** November 28, 2020, 06:50:11 PM »

Nizé oouze! Yeah, I googled my way to your house a few years ago. (I'm like that) You're already on our list to contact if we ever get down your way.

Can't find my house from the street view (even though the google-maps car went down our street a coupla years go.

Aluvsupreme · « **Reply #41 on:** November 30, 2020, 02:19:08 PM »

When shooting pellets, I use the Gamo power pellets. You will get 25 % more velocity. I use them in my imitation Beeman. A tiny drop of 3 in 1 goes a long way too. ( Dieseling) , but I am not recommending that in any way! Brian

Danny G · « **Reply #42 on:** November 30, 2020, 02:33:38 PM »

When I use BB's I like the ones that are conveniently packaged in a shotgun shell

SlideMeister · « **Reply #43 on:** November 30, 2020, 09:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Aluvsupreme on November 30, 2020, 02:19:08 PM

When shooting pellets, I use the Gamo power pellets. You will get 25 % more velocity. I use them in my imitation Beeman. A tiny drop of 3 in 1 goes a long way too. ( Dieseling) , but I am not recommending that in any way! Brian

Just about anything will shoot , but I've come to realize that all pellet guns all have their own quirky personalities. They like some pellets and hate others, and the only way to learn which, is to shoot groups with as many as you can try. Lighter pellets go faster and are "sometimes" more accurate, but never hit as hard as the slower, heavier ones than drop a couple inches, but hit like a freight train. It's always a toss-up. We just hafta figure it out.

Yeah, I used diesel fuel in an old .177 and it thought it was a .22 short, till all the seals wens south.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #44 on:** November 30, 2020, 09:15:42 PM »

Quote from: Danny G on November 30, 2020, 02:33:38 PM

When I use BB's I like the ones that are conveniently packaged in a shotgun shell

Yeah, and ya never loose yer BB's either, till the shell gets to be about thirty years old, and just starting opening up just for fun.

Danny G · « **Reply #45 on:** November 30, 2020, 09:40:59 PM »

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Yeah, and ya never loose yer BB's either, till the shell gets to be about thirty years old, and just starting opening up just for fun

Have to take your word for it Age, I don't think I ever had a shell that got over a year or 2 old

SlideMeister · « **Reply #46 on:** November 30, 2020, 09:59:53 PM »

I just looked at a box of those old green plastic ones last week and when I picked up the box, I heard BB's rattling around and sure enough, a couple of 'em kinda "bursted"

Danny G · « **Reply #47 on:** November 30, 2020, 11:55:08 PM »

New shotgun shells are pretty cheap. You probably ought to get rid of those Age. Stored properly they last a long time but what good is a bang without a bite

SlideMeister · « **Reply #48 on:** December 01, 2020, 10:52:02 AM »

Over the last fifteen years, the only thing I ever used my Grandfather's ole' Bingham XLCR DBL 16 noisemaker (made in Cleveland, Ohio

) for was to say "Happy New Year!" with the rest of the idiots in the neighborhood.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #49 on:** February 11, 2022, 08:36:20 PM »

Here's my new toy.

My son got one and loves it so much, he just bought me one too. Whatta kid, eh?

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-2240-co2-air-pistol-22-caliber?m=221#609

smojoe · « **Reply #50 on:** February 11, 2022, 09:14:35 PM »

That pistol shuuuuure looks good. Too bad it's not in .177. But it sure is tempting. Me? I was thinking (uh-oh), yeah it's all about you Joe. lolo
I was thimpking about getting a break barrel in .177. I was hoping for 1,1oo or more fps. I have some 9.25 grain pellets.

Shotguns. I have a 24 ga. Yeah, I know, no such gauge. Well, I thought so too. But long ago there WAS a British ga. that size. This gun was made a long time ago in Italy. It's a Rivelli double barrel. NOT Damascus twist. Solid steel. Can't find shells but I heard that if you use full brass cases from a .577 x 3" nitro express they can be loaded and will fit.

Shells. I have several 20 ga. that have PAPER husks. They are waxed, about 60+ years old, and still look ok.

Pal Adin

SlideMeister · « **Reply #51 on:** February 11, 2022, 10:37:21 PM »

Quote from: smojoe on February 11, 2022, 09:14:35 PM

That pistol shuuuuure looks good. Too bad it's not in .177. But it sure is tempting. Me? I was thinking (uh-oh), yeah it's all about you Joe. lolo
I was thimpking about getting a break barrel in .177. I was hoping for 1,1oo or more fps. I have some 9.25 grain pellets.

Shotguns. I have a 24 ga. Yeah, I know, no such gauge. Well, I thought so too. But long ago there WAS a British ga. that size. This gun was made a long time ago in Italy. It's a Rivelli double barrel. NOT Damascus twist. Solid steel. Can't find shells but I heard that if you use full brass cases from a .577 x 3" nitro express they can be loaded and will fit.

Shells. I have several 20 ga. that have PAPER husks. They are waxed, about 60+ years old, and still look ok.

Pal Adin

The baddest .177 pistola I have is a single pump Beeman. Sweetest trigger of all of them, and thinks it's a rifle. I like to shoot "lead balls" with it insteadda pellets. They engage the rifling, hit hard and don't bounce back at ya.
Get this one Joey!

Aluvsupreme · « **Reply #52 on:** February 17, 2022, 04:46:11 PM »

I like the CO2 pistols. My only concern is that the 2 Powerline models I have won't store the CO2 over night once loaded. Brian

SlideMeister · « **Reply #53 on:** February 17, 2022, 04:58:01 PM »

Yeah, they're lik e that

More than likely, your main seal (the one that touched the end on the C02) needs to be replaced. After rebuilding a few on them, I've learned to always use that pellgun oil, and never over-tighten the C02 more than necessary. Usually (in a pistolie

) you only get about thirty "good" hard shots at maximum velocity, then maybe up to sixty more at a much wienie velocity. (for close range -like 4-5 yards) which is okay for pop cans on a stick, which is actually still fun.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #54 on:** June 16, 2022, 07:58:49 PM »

Just ordered this for my son. I can't afford stuff like this but the cool part is that he can, and I get to play with it.

It won't be here till AFTER DannyG's party, otherwise, I'd bring it with me when I dgwo down there.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/barra-400e-bb-rifle?m=5582&trk_msg=OEP3DBLFN1Q4909TQFGA81LI3O&trk_contact=IA746EO1EVJVS67284AVNPCFFK&trk_module=tra&trk_sid=BUJ098COUV7GU4ES0D4U4NTB4C&trk_link=7DMDADSGK8NKL8Q88ILEFC5LDG#11358

SlideMeister · « **Reply #55 on:** June 16, 2022, 09:45:22 PM »

Quote from: Aluvsupreme on February 17, 2022, 04:46:11 PM

I like the CO2 pistols. My only concern is that the 2 Powerline models I have won't store the CO2 over night once loaded. Brian

It may be something as simple as a bad main seal. I have a 58 year old Crosman Model 38t C02 revolver that I rebuilt, and it holds air for over a week. (maybe more

) The thing thinks it's rifle.

beads · « **Reply #56 on:** June 16, 2022, 10:11:51 PM »

Quote from: A.J. Fedor on June 16, 2022, 07:58:49 PM

Just ordered this for my son. I can't afford stuff like this but the cool part is that he can, and I get to play with it. It won't be here till AFTER DannyG's party, otherwise, I'd bring it with me when I dgwo down there.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/barra-400e-bb-rifle?m=5582&trk_msg=OEP3DBLFN1Q4909TQFGA81LI3O&trk_contact=IA746EO1EVJVS67284AVNPCFFK&trk_module=tra&trk_sid=BUJ098COUV7GU4ES0D4U4NTB4C&trk_link=7DMDADSGK8NKL8Q88ILEFC5LDG#11358

My youngest son had something similar. Full auto. I shot it once, but I preferred shooting his other more accurate and more powerful air guns that used pellets. He found it fun for a few times, but the full auto novelty wore off and he sold it to a friend for 2/3 of what he paid for it.

SlideMeister · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2022, 12:09:26 AM »

After watching the Youtubes on this thing, I was pretty impressed, not only with the accuracy, but the consistency. (the velocity is just under 400 fps, but never goes below that till the battery dies) and at 32 feet, it punches a "quarter sized hole" in the target. My eyes are pretty much shot, so my "iron sight days" are pretty much over. Louie (my kid) ain't too big on scopes or red dots, but I think he just might be with this one. (especially since his are startin' to go south now too.

)

SlideMeister · « **Reply #58 on:** June 25, 2022, 09:39:32 PM »

Good day today!
My son and I went out to Mosquito Lake (about 45 mins east of here) and spent a half day at my dentist's house. I found out he's also an air-gun nut like Louie and I. Sitting in his little indoor range, he said he didn't want a lot of guns. I said: Doc, you sound like my harmonica friends; Look around this room! There are thirty guns here. You're not only in denial; You're "terminal!"

I dialed in a few of his guns, fixed another and introduced him to some of mine. Before we left, he admitted that he was gunna order a PPK blowback like mine. He also yelled me for opening a plastic BB bottle with the new temporary crown he just put in last week. He laughed and told my son: "Your old man keeps breakin' all his teeth and I keep fixin' em."

SlideMeister · « **Reply #59 on:** June 27, 2022, 09:30:31 PM »

Talked to the dentist again today and he's still smiling. We're going back to do it again in a couple weeks after Louie's new Berra 400E arrives. Mwoaahahahah!